Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I rejected religion years ago.
I looked at all the evidence and decided that all religions are man made...and most religions are harmful to mankind.
As a result, I have created my own set of moral values.
But what is really, desperately needed is for governments to get involved.
I believed that it is the moral duty of governments to create sets of moral values based on consensus and debate.
Again, leaving moral teachings to religions is very dangerous.
Getting back to the main question.
If you must teach your children about Jesus, you must, morally, also tell them that a lot of very intelligent people believe that the Jesus, as portrayed in the Bible, never existed.
How about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
"...a declaration adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1948 at the Palais de Chaillot in Paris, France. The Declaration arose directly from the experience of the Second World War and represents the first global expression of what many people believe to be the rights to which all human beings are inherently entitled. The full text is available on the United Nations website."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids don't know when Jesus died and came back from the dead. One of them goes "Wait, he came back from the dead??".. We are not Christian but where I grew up religion was part of the school curriculum and we learnt about all religions. Is there a source I can use (TV or website) to teach them the basics. Prefer a non-biased, non-judgmental source.
It is difficult. We are UU and our children received a whole year of Old Testament, a whole year of New Testament, several years where they learned about many different religions in 3-4 week chunks including visiting different houses of worship and attending their religious services. They are still confused on most of the Bible stories and only have a hint of some of the other religions major holidays and meanings. In order for it to really sink in, they need to hear it every year and have that knowledge built upon. Or wait until they are in HS or college and have them take a comparative religion class where they have to read, write papers, discuss in class and take tests for knowledge. This is my observation after 12 years of RE. I would like to add that many of the curricula that my children experienced, were well written, accurate and informative- it is just that they need to hear it more often and they have to want to retain the information. Exposure is not enough. However, exposure is excellent for developing empathy, inclusiveness, and an understanding that not everyone thinks or believes the same things, but many religions have major tenets in common.
Anonymous wrote:I rejected religion years ago.
I looked at all the evidence and decided that all religions are man made...and most religions are harmful to mankind.
As a result, I have created my own set of moral values.
But what is really, desperately needed is for governments to get involved.
I believed that it is the moral duty of governments to create sets of moral values based on consensus and debate.
Again, leaving moral teachings to religions is very dangerous.
Getting back to the main question.
If you must teach your children about Jesus, you must, morally, also tell them that a lot of very intelligent people believe that the Jesus, as portrayed in the Bible, never existed.
Anonymous wrote:My kids don't know when Jesus died and came back from the dead. One of them goes "Wait, he came back from the dead??".. We are not Christian but where I grew up religion was part of the school curriculum and we learnt about all religions. Is there a source I can use (TV or website) to teach them the basics. Prefer a non-biased, non-judgmental source.
Anonymous wrote:I rejected religion years ago.
I looked at all the evidence and decided that all religions are man made...and most religions are harmful to mankind.
As a result, I have created my own set of moral values.
But what is really, desperately needed is for governments to get involved.
I believed that it is the moral duty of governments to create sets of moral values based on consensus and debate.
Again, leaving moral teachings to religions is very dangerous.
Getting back to the main question.
If you must teach your children about Jesus, you must, morally, also tell them that a lot of very intelligent people believe that the Jesus, as portrayed in the Bible, never existed.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
If I understand it correctly, OP isn't looking to give credence to any belief. He wants to teach his children about religions -- all kinds of religions. Evangelical Christian beliefs would be on that list and there would be no effort to encourage his children to believe in any of the religions or to deem them right or wrong.
I asked this because when I said how about the Bible, that was discounted as not "non-biased." Why is that? Probably because the Bible claims He is God and that He rose from the grave. But that's from the only place you can read about Christ from the source. It's not non-biased; it's the only account we have.
While the the Bible is the first known source of info about Jesus, its not the only account we have and its certainly not the most historical or reliable source. It's more a book of stories about Jesus and early Christianity. Much has been written about these subjects by scholars analyzing the bible in the original greek and doing archeological research in Israel.
Someone teaching children about christianity and not teaching them to believe it would want to use sources besides the Bible. We wouldn't expect children to learn about Judaism simply by reading the Torah or Islam by reading the Koran. The same goes for Christianity and the Bible.
Please tell me a more historical account of Jesus Christ than the Bible. Your assertion is nonsense.
Below are a few sources I pulled from the web, googling “historical Jesus”. I’m familiar with most of these authors. Also, there’s a whole wiki page on the “quest for the historical Jesus that you might like to look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_historical_Jesus
Crossan, John Dominic (1995). Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography. HarperOne.
The Cambridge History of Christianity, Volume 1 by Margaret M. Mitchell and Frances M. Young (Feb 20, 2006) ISBN 0521812399
Jesus in Contemporary Scholarship by Marcus J. Borg (1 Aug 1994)
Who Is Jesus? by John Dominic Crossan, Richard G. Watts 1999
Jesus in history and myth by R. Joseph Hoffmann 1986
Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart D. Ehrman 1999
The Historical Jesus by John Dominic Crossan
Funk, Robert W. and the Jesus Seminar. The acts of Jesus: the search for the authentic deeds of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco. 1999
Albert Schweitzer, The Quest of the Historical Jesus, 2d ed. 1913
Astounding. The earliest of Paul's letters dates to within about 20 years of Christ, the latest of the Gospels within about 60 years at most. Yes these are not considered by some PP's as the most "reliable" or "historical" sources for information about Christ. Instead, we get a list of texts all from the 20th Century or later.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
If I understand it correctly, OP isn't looking to give credence to any belief. He wants to teach his children about religions -- all kinds of religions. Evangelical Christian beliefs would be on that list and there would be no effort to encourage his children to believe in any of the religions or to deem them right or wrong.
I asked this because when I said how about the Bible, that was discounted as not "non-biased." Why is that? Probably because the Bible claims He is God and that He rose from the grave. But that's from the only place you can read about Christ from the source. It's not non-biased; it's the only account we have.
While the the Bible is the first known source of info about Jesus, its not the only account we have and its certainly not the most historical or reliable source. It's more a book of stories about Jesus and early Christianity. Much has been written about these subjects by scholars analyzing the bible in the original greek and doing archeological research in Israel.
Someone teaching children about christianity and not teaching them to believe it would want to use sources besides the Bible. We wouldn't expect children to learn about Judaism simply by reading the Torah or Islam by reading the Koran. The same goes for Christianity and the Bible.
Please tell me a more historical account of Jesus Christ than the Bible. Your assertion is nonsense.
Below are a few sources I pulled from the web, googling “historical Jesus”. I’m familiar with most of these authors. Also, there’s a whole wiki page on the “quest for the historical Jesus that you might like to look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_historical_Jesus
Crossan, John Dominic (1995). Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography. HarperOne.
The Cambridge History of Christianity, Volume 1 by Margaret M. Mitchell and Frances M. Young (Feb 20, 2006) ISBN 0521812399
Jesus in Contemporary Scholarship by Marcus J. Borg (1 Aug 1994)
Who Is Jesus? by John Dominic Crossan, Richard G. Watts 1999
Jesus in history and myth by R. Joseph Hoffmann 1986
Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart D. Ehrman 1999
The Historical Jesus by John Dominic Crossan
Funk, Robert W. and the Jesus Seminar. The acts of Jesus: the search for the authentic deeds of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco. 1999
Albert Schweitzer, The Quest of the Historical Jesus, 2d ed. 1913
Astounding. The earliest of Paul's letters dates to within about 20 years of Christ, the latest of the Gospels within about 60 years at most. Yes these are not considered by some PP's as the most "reliable" or "historical" sources for information about Christ. Instead, we get a list of texts all from the 20th Century or later.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
If I understand it correctly, OP isn't looking to give credence to any belief. He wants to teach his children about religions -- all kinds of religions. Evangelical Christian beliefs would be on that list and there would be no effort to encourage his children to believe in any of the religions or to deem them right or wrong.
I asked this because when I said how about the Bible, that was discounted as not "non-biased." Why is that? Probably because the Bible claims He is God and that He rose from the grave. But that's from the only place you can read about Christ from the source. It's not non-biased; it's the only account we have.
While the the Bible is the first known source of info about Jesus, its not the only account we have and its certainly not the most historical or reliable source. It's more a book of stories about Jesus and early Christianity. Much has been written about these subjects by scholars analyzing the bible in the original greek and doing archeological research in Israel.
Someone teaching children about christianity and not teaching them to believe it would want to use sources besides the Bible. We wouldn't expect children to learn about Judaism simply by reading the Torah or Islam by reading the Koran. The same goes for Christianity and the Bible.
Please tell me a more historical account of Jesus Christ than the Bible. Your assertion is nonsense.
Below are a few sources I pulled from the web, googling “historical Jesus”. I’m familiar with most of these authors. Also, there’s a whole wiki page on the “quest for the historical Jesus that you might like to look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_historical_Jesus
Crossan, John Dominic (1995). Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography. HarperOne.
The Cambridge History of Christianity, Volume 1 by Margaret M. Mitchell and Frances M. Young (Feb 20, 2006) ISBN 0521812399
Jesus in Contemporary Scholarship by Marcus J. Borg (1 Aug 1994)
Who Is Jesus? by John Dominic Crossan, Richard G. Watts 1999
Jesus in history and myth by R. Joseph Hoffmann 1986
Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart D. Ehrman 1999
The Historical Jesus by John Dominic Crossan
Funk, Robert W. and the Jesus Seminar. The acts of Jesus: the search for the authentic deeds of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco. 1999
Albert Schweitzer, The Quest of the Historical Jesus, 2d ed. 1913
Astounding. The earliest of Paul's letters dates to within about 20 years of Christ, the latest of the Gospels within about 60 years at most. Yes these are not considered by some PP's as the most "reliable" or "historical" sources for information about Christ. Instead, we get a list of texts all from the 20th Century or later.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
If I understand it correctly, OP isn't looking to give credence to any belief. He wants to teach his children about religions -- all kinds of religions. Evangelical Christian beliefs would be on that list and there would be no effort to encourage his children to believe in any of the religions or to deem them right or wrong.
I asked this because when I said how about the Bible, that was discounted as not "non-biased." Why is that? Probably because the Bible claims He is God and that He rose from the grave. But that's from the only place you can read about Christ from the source. It's not non-biased; it's the only account we have.
While the the Bible is the first known source of info about Jesus, its not the only account we have and its certainly not the most historical or reliable source. It's more a book of stories about Jesus and early Christianity. Much has been written about these subjects by scholars analyzing the bible in the original greek and doing archeological research in Israel.
Someone teaching children about christianity and not teaching them to believe it would want to use sources besides the Bible. We wouldn't expect children to learn about Judaism simply by reading the Torah or Islam by reading the Koran. The same goes for Christianity and the Bible.
Please tell me a more historical account of Jesus Christ than the Bible. Your assertion is nonsense.
Below are a few sources I pulled from the web, googling “historical Jesus”. I’m familiar with most of these authors. Also, there’s a whole wiki page on the “quest for the historical Jesus that you might like to look at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_historical_Jesus
Crossan, John Dominic (1995). Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography. HarperOne.
The Cambridge History of Christianity, Volume 1 by Margaret M. Mitchell and Frances M. Young (Feb 20, 2006) ISBN 0521812399
Jesus in Contemporary Scholarship by Marcus J. Borg (1 Aug 1994)
Who Is Jesus? by John Dominic Crossan, Richard G. Watts 1999
Jesus in history and myth by R. Joseph Hoffmann 1986
Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart D. Ehrman 1999
The Historical Jesus by John Dominic Crossan
Funk, Robert W. and the Jesus Seminar. The acts of Jesus: the search for the authentic deeds of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco. 1999
Albert Schweitzer, The Quest of the Historical Jesus, 2d ed. 1913
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
If I understand it correctly, OP isn't looking to give credence to any belief. He wants to teach his children about religions -- all kinds of religions. Evangelical Christian beliefs would be on that list and there would be no effort to encourage his children to believe in any of the religions or to deem them right or wrong.
I asked this because when I said how about the Bible, that was discounted as not "non-biased." Why is that? Probably because the Bible claims He is God and that He rose from the grave. But that's from the only place you can read about Christ from the source. It's not non-biased; it's the only account we have.
While the the Bible is the first known source of info about Jesus, its not the only account we have and its certainly not the most historical or reliable source. It's more a book of stories about Jesus and early Christianity. Much has been written about these subjects by scholars analyzing the bible in the original greek and doing archeological research in Israel.
Someone teaching children about christianity and not teaching them to believe it would want to use sources besides the Bible. We wouldn't expect children to learn about Judaism simply by reading the Torah or Islam by reading the Koran. The same goes for Christianity and the Bible.
Please tell me a more historical account of Jesus Christ than the Bible. Your assertion is nonsense.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
If I understand it correctly, OP isn't looking to give credence to any belief. He wants to teach his children about religions -- all kinds of religions. Evangelical Christian beliefs would be on that list and there would be no effort to encourage his children to believe in any of the religions or to deem them right or wrong.
I asked this because when I said how about the Bible, that was discounted as not "non-biased." Why is that? Probably because the Bible claims He is God and that He rose from the grave. But that's from the only place you can read about Christ from the source. It's not non-biased; it's the only account we have.
While the the Bible is the first known source of info about Jesus, its not the only account we have and its certainly not the most historical or reliable source. It's more a book of stories about Jesus and early Christianity. Much has been written about these subjects by scholars analyzing the bible in the original greek and doing archeological research in Israel.
Someone teaching children about christianity and not teaching them to believe it would want to use sources besides the Bible. We wouldn't expect children to learn about Judaism simply by reading the Torah or Islam by reading the Koran. The same goes for Christianity and the Bible.
Please tell me a more historical account of Jesus Christ than the Bible. Your assertion is nonsense.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Curious about all you who want to study all world religions. It seems you give creedence to all belief except evangelical Christianity, that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, died for your sins and rose from the grave. One, it seems you are always very eager to deny that's the actual teaching, when there are millions of people who believe just that. And two, of course THAT belief just can't be right. Why is that?
If I understand it correctly, OP isn't looking to give credence to any belief. He wants to teach his children about religions -- all kinds of religions. Evangelical Christian beliefs would be on that list and there would be no effort to encourage his children to believe in any of the religions or to deem them right or wrong.
I asked this because when I said how about the Bible, that was discounted as not "non-biased." Why is that? Probably because the Bible claims He is God and that He rose from the grave. But that's from the only place you can read about Christ from the source. It's not non-biased; it's the only account we have.
While the the Bible is the first known source of info about Jesus, its not the only account we have and its certainly not the most historical or reliable source. It's more a book of stories about Jesus and early Christianity. Much has been written about these subjects by scholars analyzing the bible in the original greek and doing archeological research in Israel.
Someone teaching children about christianity and not teaching them to believe it would want to use sources besides the Bible. We wouldn't expect children to learn about Judaism simply by reading the Torah or Islam by reading the Koran. The same goes for Christianity and the Bible.