Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Safe and well paid jobs:-

1. Doctor (180k - 350k, with the higher end reaching seven figures)
2. Federal positions GS-14/15 or higher paid special pay equivalent (non-SES) (120k-200k)
3. Professors in Engineering, JD (not that safe anymore arguably but plenty of lemmings still signing up), MBA (same as JD) (100k - 350k)

Least safe and well paid jobs:-
1. Law firm associate
2. Business consulting associate
3. IT contractor

Become a doctor or make senior Federal grade.

Artificial intelligence is changing the landscape even in medicine.

By the time AI takes over medicine, law will be a dead profession.

Anonymous wrote:Safe and well paid jobs:-

1. Doctor (180k - 350k, with the higher end reaching seven figures)
2. Federal positions GS-14/15 or higher paid special pay equivalent (non-SES) (120k-200k)
3. Professors in Engineering, JD (not that safe anymore arguably but plenty of lemmings still signing up), MBA (same as JD) (100k - 350k)

Least safe and well paid jobs:-
1. Law firm associate
2. Business consulting associate
3. IT contractor

Become a doctor or make senior Federal grade.

Artificial intelligence is changing the landscape even in medicine.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a newly tenured professor at a good college, and the average length of service for my colleagues is 30 years. I feel pretty safe, though I will never get rich. Summers off rocks.

I wouldn't be so sure. I've recently seen some tenured profs forced out -- not out right fired but their lives were made miserable. Clearly messages were sent. Also the idea that someone should remain tenured until they want to leave is becoming an outdated model.

PP here, the list above is for the DC area specifically.

Safe and well paid jobs:-

1. Doctor (180k - 350k, with the higher end reaching seven figures)
2. Federal positions GS-14/15 or higher paid special pay equivalent (non-SES) (120k-200k)
3. Professors in Engineering, JD (not that safe anymore arguably but plenty of lemmings still signing up), MBA (same as JD) (100k - 350k)

Least safe and well paid jobs:-
1. Law firm associate
2. Business consulting associate
3. IT contractor

Become a doctor or make senior Federal grade.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP I am a little confused by your statement.

Never once in my life have I assumed that any job was "safe". Everyone EVERYONE is replaceable.

Lack of a guaranteed job keeps you on your toes, makes you work harder and do better.

Dude, that is the kind of thing you can say when you don't need an income. Check your privilege.

That's the kind of thing you say until you've been downsized. He will get his. Wait until he turns fifty.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP I am a little confused by your statement.

Never once in my life have I assumed that any job was "safe". Everyone EVERYONE is replaceable.

Lack of a guaranteed job keeps you on your toes, makes you work harder and do better.

I disagree with this completely. When people are constantly worried about their jobs (or anticipating layoffs or wondering about layoffs or dealing with frequent layoffs), they actually don't perform as well because they are distracted. It also leads to a sense of fatalism -- as in, it doesn't matter how hard someone works or how productive they are, it all starts to seem arbitrary. So what ends up happening when people feel insecure in their jobs (whether it is because a company frequently does layoffs or because an entire industry has an approach of firing people when they earn too much) is that people spend a lot of time and effort doing passive aggressive things to keep their jobs. This is especially poisonous in work environments where cooperation, coordination, and team work are needed to really do the job well.

There is actually research to back up my claims -- that job insecurity leads to REDUCED productivity.

Then how do yiu explain the absolute lacknof productivity of government workers.

For one, I disagree with that claim too (and I'm guessing you don't have statistics to back it up). There are some government agencies that are very efficient and where the workers work pretty hard for stagnant salaries.

And yes, there are also unproductive ones. I've worked in both sectors, and I actually don't think government workers are any more or less productive than private sector workers. That's another trope that people like to trot out, usually with an agenda -- that agenda is to destroy things like due process, etc.

As I said, I've worked in both sectors, and when I've seen a lack of productivity, it usually has to do with bad management. It's a combination of unclear goals, lack of clearly stated expectations, lack of follow up, and stagnant growth. What do I mean by that? The biggest cause of apathy and a lack of productivity is a sense that effort won't be noticed or rewarded and/or there's no clear path for career growth.

Fear of job loss doesn't motivate people to perform better (or more efficiently); it motivates them to do the bare minimum they have to to keep their job and it usually causes a sense of distrust and petty territoriality with other coworkers.

As I said, there's research to back up a lot my claims here.

But you like to just repeat tropes you hear in the media.

*they stay, not they say

Anonymous wrote:I'm a newly tenured professor at a good college, and the average length of service for my colleagues is 30 years. I feel pretty safe, though I will never get rich. Summers off rocks.

Well, they may not lay you off, but there's nothing stopping them from cutting your salary, reducing your pay, or doing away with some benefits (including cutting retirement).

I spoke with a former professor of mine (tenured, good standing in the field) who as dealing with just that.

The reason the average length of service for your colleagues is so long is because there is little job mobility in that field. It's so hard to find a non-adjunct position at a college and, despite the ph.d., difficult to transfer to other professions, that once someone finds a position that offers an actually salary, health benefits, and stability, they say.

But that in no way makes the job "safe" in any kind of sense. The pay can stagnate, and as more colleges find it's cheaper and easier to employ adjuncts, they are more than willing to cut the pay or benefits of tenured staff b/c they know the tenured profs have nowhere to go.

The only college professors who truly have leverage are the ones who are well published (and by "published" I mean published in a way that has a popular audience) and/or have some sort of specialized research that brings the college/university money.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP I am a little confused by your statement.

Never once in my life have I assumed that any job was "safe". Everyone EVERYONE is replaceable.

Lack of a guaranteed job keeps you on your toes, makes you work harder and do better.

I disagree with this completely. When people are constantly worried about their jobs (or anticipating layoffs or wondering about layoffs or dealing with frequent layoffs), they actually don't perform as well because they are distracted. It also leads to a sense of fatalism -- as in, it doesn't matter how hard someone works or how productive they are, it all starts to seem arbitrary. So what ends up happening when people feel insecure in their jobs (whether it is because a company frequently does layoffs or because an entire industry has an approach of firing people when they earn too much) is that people spend a lot of time and effort doing passive aggressive things to keep their jobs. This is especially poisonous in work environments where cooperation, coordination, and team work are needed to really do the job well.

There is actually research to back up my claims -- that job insecurity leads to REDUCED productivity.

Then how do yiu explain the absolute lacknof productivity of government workers.

Anonymous wrote:OP I am a little confused by your statement.

Never once in my life have I assumed that any job was "safe". Everyone EVERYONE is replaceable.

Lack of a guaranteed job keeps you on your toes, makes you work harder and do better.

I disagree with this completely. When people are constantly worried about their jobs (or anticipating layoffs or wondering about layoffs or dealing with frequent layoffs), they actually don't perform as well because they are distracted. It also leads to a sense of fatalism -- as in, it doesn't matter how hard someone works or how productive they are, it all starts to seem arbitrary. So what ends up happening when people feel insecure in their jobs (whether it is because a company frequently does layoffs or because an entire industry has an approach of firing people when they earn too much) is that people spend a lot of time and effort doing passive aggressive things to keep their jobs. This is especially poisonous in work environments where cooperation, coordination, and team work are needed to really do the job well.

There is actually research to back up my claims -- that job insecurity leads to REDUCED productivity.

Anonymous wrote:Immigration Lawyer.

People who need immigration lawyers usually can't afford to pay them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP I am a little confused by your statement.

Never once in my life have I assumed that any job was "safe". Everyone EVERYONE is replaceable.

Lack of a guaranteed job keeps you on your toes, makes you work harder and do better.

Dude, that is the kind of thing you can say when you don't need an income. Check your privilege.

Huh? I need an income to survive, as do the 3 mouths i feed being the b sole provider in our home.. I think exactly like this. I'd be an moron to think anything else. I alwayd have my eyes on the horizon.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone with a TS/SCI is safe.

Very true. My dH has this and it has opened doors that never would have been open for him otherwise.

Thank god for government inefficiencies and incompetence. Takes FOREVER to get cleared

Anonymous wrote:Immigration Lawyer.

Not if Trump eliminates all immigration.