Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:50
Subject: Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.salon.com/2017/02/03/former-obama-official-deadly-yemen-raid-wasnt-planned-under-obamas-watch/
https://sputniknews.com/us/201702031050296089-nsc-obama-not-consider-yemen-raid/
But I agree with the PP that said assigning blame at this juncture is misguided. Let's focus on never losing American lives in these efforts. That also means that the POTUS needs to have a staff that doesn't consider our troops to be cubes on a Risk board.
We would all be speaking German if we focused n never losing a life
Don't be an asshole. This mission wasn't well planned or coordinated, which is why it didn't run while Obama was the Commander in Chief. It needed more attention to detail, and Trump was playing wild western cowboy and got a bunch of innocents killed.
DP. Do you know under Obama, our military suffered the deadliest loss of service members' lives in the Afghanistan? Was that due to the incompetence of Obama?
"On 6 August 2011, a U.S. Boeing CH-47 Chinook military helicopter was shot down while transporting a quick reaction force attempting to reinforce an engaged unit of Army Rangers in Wardak province, west of Kabul, Afghanistan. The resulting crash killed all 38 people on board—25 American special operations personnel, five United States Army National Guard and Army Reserve crewmen, seven Afghan commandos, and one Afghan interpreter—as well as a U.S. military working dog. It is considered the worst loss of American lives in a single incident in the Afghanistan campaign, surpassing Operation Red Wings in 2005."
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:44
Subject: Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Someone tell me why this shouldn't be investigated with all the vigor of the Benghazi investigations? Not tit for tat or in the name of hypocrisy but to truly find out what happened here?
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:42
Subject: Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.salon.com/2017/02/03/former-obama-official-deadly-yemen-raid-wasnt-planned-under-obamas-watch/
https://sputniknews.com/us/201702031050296089-nsc-obama-not-consider-yemen-raid/
But I agree with the PP that said assigning blame at this juncture is misguided. Let's focus on never losing American lives in these efforts. That also means that the POTUS needs to have a staff that doesn't consider our troops to be cubes on a Risk board.
We would all be speaking German if we focused n never losing a life
Don't be an asshole. This mission wasn't well planned or coordinated, which is why it didn't run while Obama was the Commander in Chief. It needed more attention to detail, and Trump was playing wild western cowboy and got a bunch of innocents killed.
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:39
Subject: Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile thousands of service members and civilians have been killed from Iraq to Afghanistan and Yemen, but no one demands an investigation of their deaths, even when they were the result of 'friendly fire.'
Any death is tragic and horrible, but this was a service member rather than a diplomatic security or CIA officer who was killed. When you take the military oath, you take a different level of risk.
I agree. I have a son in the Army. While I weep for this parent, and any parent who loses a child during a military operation, it is one of the risks. Service members also die during training missions. It is simply a risk of the job. My son knows this, as do we, his parents. It is a tough reality, and difficult. But, our son knew the risks when he chose this as his job and so did we.
I don't think the "timing" of this mission has anything to do with any EO Trump issued. It has everything to do with having darkness. No full moon.
The military evaluates every mission after the fact. Training missions and actual missions. Perhaps they need to share their evaluation with this grieving father.
And the fact that Trump wasn't even paying attention to the action as it unfolded is okay to you as a military parent? This isn't like WWII in which the president couldn't watch every single battle or engagement in real time.
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:28
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump's spokeswoman this morning told ABS the president will be on board for an investigation.
This village was guarded by landmine and heavily armed militias. It's no surprising we had casualties.
Why didn't we know this? Bad judgment call from an idiotic man, that's why.
This operation was in the planning for almost a year. I am sure they knew it was heavily guarded. Are you suggesting we should never take any risks in military operation?
No. The dad is suggesting it should never have happened the day after the so-called President instituted a Muslim ban.
Which is a great point. We are banning everyone from Yemen and calling them terrorists. While they are our ally in the Middle East. You would think even Trump could predict that carrying out a raid in conjunction with a pissed off ally is a bad idea.
Yemen is in a civil war. Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war there. So which Yemen is an "ally" of us?
The country of Yemen that ostensibly cooperated with the US in this military action and green lighted the raid. That Yemen. And the enemy was allegedly tipped off. Do you think someone in the US did that? Idiot.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/09/514365520/yemen-requests-review-of-deadly-u-s-military-raid
That's some twisted logic there. Remind us who did we piss off before 9/11?
And the media should stop the inflammatory coverage by keep referring to it as a Muslim ban.
Second try. The country of Yemen is supposed to be our ally. They green lighted this attack. Idiot.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/09/514365520/yemen-requests-review-of-deadly-u-s-military-raid
Also, it appears that part of the reason it went bad is that people were tipped off. The day after the Muslim ban (and if Giuliani can call it that, so can DCUM). Coincidence?
It's much more complicated than that. There is no "the country of Yemen". They are in a civil war. Are you talking about the Saudis backed or the Iran backed part? If they are tipping off the terrorists, they are not really our "ally".
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:12
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump's spokeswoman this morning told ABS the president will be on board for an investigation.
This village was guarded by landmine and heavily armed militias. It's no surprising we had casualties.
Why didn't we know this? Bad judgment call from an idiotic man, that's why.
This operation was in the planning for almost a year. I am sure they knew it was heavily guarded. Are you suggesting we should never take any risks in military operation?
No. The dad is suggesting it should never have happened the day after the so-called President instituted a Muslim ban.
Which is a great point. We are banning everyone from Yemen and calling them terrorists. While they are our ally in the Middle East. You would think even Trump could predict that carrying out a raid in conjunction with a pissed off ally is a bad idea.
Yemen is in a civil war. Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war there. So which Yemen is an "ally" of us?
The country of Yemen that ostensibly cooperated with the US in this military action and green lighted the raid. That Yemen. And the enemy was allegedly tipped off. Do you think someone in the US did that? Idiot.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/09/514365520/yemen-requests-review-of-deadly-u-s-military-raid
That's some twisted logic there. Remind us who did we piss off before 9/11?
And the media should stop the inflammatory coverage by keep referring to it as a Muslim ban.
Second try. The country of Yemen is supposed to be our ally. They green lighted this attack. Idiot.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/09/514365520/yemen-requests-review-of-deadly-u-s-military-raid
Also, it appears that part of the reason it went bad is that people were tipped off. The day after the Muslim ban (and if Giuliani can call it that, so can DCUM). Coincidence?
What people were tipped off and by who?
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:12
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile thousands of service members and civilians have been killed from Iraq to Afghanistan and Yemen, but no one demands an investigation of their deaths, even when they were the result of 'friendly fire.'
Any death is tragic and horrible, but this was a service member rather than a diplomatic security or CIA officer who was killed. When you take the military oath, you take a different level of risk.
Not true. Others have demanded investigations. The military oath does not mean that your death is meaningless.
+100. If the USMil is not doing after action investigations for every mil death then the mil are idiots. After actions are SOP, just like morbity meetings in medicine. If you don't learn from death, you can't beat death.
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:07
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump's spokeswoman this morning told ABS the president will be on board for an investigation.
This village was guarded by landmine and heavily armed militias. It's no surprising we had casualties.
Why didn't we know this? Bad judgment call from an idiotic man, that's why.
This operation was in the planning for almost a year. I am sure they knew it was heavily guarded. Are you suggesting we should never take any risks in military operation?
No. The dad is suggesting it should never have happened the day after the so-called President instituted a Muslim ban.
Which is a great point. We are banning everyone from Yemen and calling them terrorists. While they are our ally in the Middle East. You would think even Trump could predict that carrying out a raid in conjunction with a pissed off ally is a bad idea.
Yemen is in a civil war. Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war there. So which Yemen is an "ally" of us?
The country of Yemen that ostensibly cooperated with the US in this military action and green lighted the raid. That Yemen. And the enemy was allegedly tipped off. Do you think someone in the US did that? Idiot.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/09/514365520/yemen-requests-review-of-deadly-u-s-military-raid
That's some twisted logic there. Remind us who did we piss off before 9/11?
And the media should stop the inflammatory coverage by keep referring to it as a Muslim ban.
Second try. The country of Yemen is supposed to be our ally. They green lighted this attack. Idiot.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/09/514365520/yemen-requests-review-of-deadly-u-s-military-raid
Also, it appears that part of the reason it went bad is that people were tipped off. The day after the Muslim ban (and if Giuliani can call it that, so can DCUM). Coincidence?
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:06
Subject: Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:http://www.salon.com/2017/02/03/former-obama-official-deadly-yemen-raid-wasnt-planned-under-obamas-watch/
https://sputniknews.com/us/201702031050296089-nsc-obama-not-consider-yemen-raid/
But I agree with the PP that said assigning blame at this juncture is misguided. Let's focus on never losing American lives in these efforts. That also means that the POTUS needs to have a staff that doesn't consider our troops to be cubes on a Risk board.
We would all be speaking German if we focused n never losing a life
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:01
Subject: Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile thousands of service members and civilians have been killed from Iraq to Afghanistan and Yemen, but no one demands an investigation of their deaths, even when they were the result of 'friendly fire.'
Any death is tragic and horrible, but this was a service member rather than a diplomatic security or CIA officer who was killed. When you take the military oath, you take a different level of risk.
I agree. I have a son in the Army. While I weep for this parent, and any parent who loses a child during a military operation, it is one of the risks. Service members also die during training missions. It is simply a risk of the job. My son knows this, as do we, his parents. It is a tough reality, and difficult. But, our son knew the risks when he chose this as his job and so did we.
I don't think the "timing" of this mission has anything to do with any EO Trump issued. It has everything to do with having darkness. No full moon.
The military evaluates every mission after the fact. Training missions and actual missions. Perhaps they need to share their evaluation with this grieving father.
Anonymous
02/26/2017 11:00
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump's spokeswoman this morning told ABS the president will be on board for an investigation.
This village was guarded by landmine and heavily armed militias. It's no surprising we had casualties.
Why didn't we know this? Bad judgment call from an idiotic man, that's why.
This operation was in the planning for almost a year. I am sure they knew it was heavily guarded. Are you suggesting we should never take any risks in military operation?
No. The dad is suggesting it should never have happened the day after the so-called President instituted a Muslim ban.
Which is a great point. We are banning everyone from Yemen and calling them terrorists. While they are our ally in the Middle East. You would think even Trump could predict that carrying out a raid in conjunction with a pissed off ally is a bad idea.
Yemen is in a civil war. Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war there. So which Yemen is an "ally" of us?
The country of Yemen that ostensibly cooperated with the US in this military action and green lighted the raid. That Yemen. And the enemy was allegedly tipped off. Do you think someone in the US did that? Idiot.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/09/514365520/yemen-requests-review-of-deadly-u-s-military-raid
That's some twisted logic there. Remind us who did we piss off before 9/11?
And the media should stop the inflammatory coverage by keep referring to it as a Muslim ban.
Anonymous
02/26/2017 10:50
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump's spokeswoman this morning told ABS the president will be on board for an investigation.
This village was guarded by landmine and heavily armed militias. It's no surprising we had casualties.
Why didn't we know this? Bad judgment call from an idiotic man, that's why.
This operation was in the planning for almost a year. I am sure they knew it was heavily guarded. Are you suggesting we should never take any risks in military operation?
No. The dad is suggesting it should never have happened the day after the so-called President instituted a Muslim ban.
Which is a great point. We are banning everyone from Yemen and calling them terrorists. While they are our ally in the Middle East. You would think even Trump could predict that carrying out a raid in conjunction with a pissed off ally is a bad idea.
Yemen is in a civil war. Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war there. So which Yemen is an "ally" of us?
That's some twisted logic there. Remind us who did we piss off before 9/11?
And the media should stop the inflammatory coverage by keep referring to it as a Muslim ban.
Yes, because a majority of citizens in the EO-listed countries are of non-Muslim faiths.
Anonymous
02/26/2017 10:48
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump's spokeswoman this morning told ABS the president will be on board for an investigation.
This village was guarded by landmine and heavily armed militias. It's no surprising we had casualties.
Why didn't we know this? Bad judgment call from an idiotic man, that's why.
This operation was in the planning for almost a year. I am sure they knew it was heavily guarded. Are you suggesting we should never take any risks in military operation?
No. The dad is suggesting it should never have happened the day after the so-called President instituted a Muslim ban.
Which is a great point. We are banning everyone from Yemen and calling them terrorists. While they are our ally in the Middle East. You would think even Trump could predict that carrying out a raid in conjunction with a pissed off ally is a bad idea.
Yemen is in a civil war. Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war there. So which Yemen is an "ally" of us?
That's some twisted logic there. Remind us who did we piss off before 9/11?
And the media should stop the inflammatory coverage by keep referring to it as a Muslim ban.
Anonymous
02/26/2017 10:47
Subject: Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
^ Thank you for posting those. I feel better knowing that McMaster is the national security adviser now. Hopefully we won't get a statement like this in an article again:
"On Thursday, Reuters reported that U.S. military officials have alleged that the operation was approved without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup operations."
"On Thursday, Reuters reported that U.S. military officials have alleged that the operation was approved without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup operations."
Anonymous
02/26/2017 10:37
Subject: Re:Slain SEAL's dad wants answers: "Don't hide behind my son's death"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump's spokeswoman this morning told ABS the president will be on board for an investigation.
This village was guarded by landmine and heavily armed militias. It's no surprising we had casualties.
Why didn't we know this? Bad judgment call from an idiotic man, that's why.
This operation was in the planning for almost a year. I am sure they knew it was heavily guarded. Are you suggesting we should never take any risks in military operation?
No. The dad is suggesting it should never have happened the day after the so-called President instituted a Muslim ban.
Which is a great point. We are banning everyone from Yemen and calling them terrorists. While they are our ally in the Middle East. You would think even Trump could predict that carrying out a raid in conjunction with a pissed off ally is a bad idea.