Anonymous wrote:Am 54 and have very clear memories about Vietnam war protests, MLK assassination, RFK assassination. Just thought that was life in some ways.
Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.
Is there a comparison in modern history?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm 50 with clear recollection of Nixon's resignation and the month leading up to it. Since then, I don't think I've seen a president who is as disliked as Trump seems to be.
I agree. I am also 50 and grew up in the only state that rejected Nixon. Remember it well. Nixon came in with protests against him around his inauguration. It didn't end well then and I don't think this will either.
I'm 50 and barely remember any of that. I guess I grew up in a bubble.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105
I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.
My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).
Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.
As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.
That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There hasn't been and you have to thank the Dems for this disaster.
When Reagan was elected the media went crazy also.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105
I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.
My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).
Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.
As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.
That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.
I'm not the person you're responding to, but I was born in 1967 and yes I do remember lots about Nixon. I also remember something about Vietnam. How is it you think we can't remember 1974?
Because you were in 2nd grade in 74?
You remember reruns and docs made well after the fact. There was no CNN, Fox etc. and cable was rare. Much of the news was gathered through newspapers and magazines with 30 minutes of national news in the evening. Not to mention an understanding of government and what was really happening. When you were six did you understand the ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre?
What is your problem? I watched Nixon resign live on TV and discussed it with my parents. I still have the Washington Post with the headlines. No, sorry I did not understand the full ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre but I understood what a cover up was.
"yes I do remember lots about Nixon"
That's my problem. As one that lived through that time as an adult you have no clue to the whole of what unraveled through Watergate. I could understand it if you were 17 but not 5, 6 or 7.
Those of us who lived through three assignations, Vietnam, Watergate, racism, the riots....well...you just had to be there, and be aware, to fully understand. No way would I try to equate to something I 'knew' about when I was a child and what my parents did.
I think you are underestimating the effect the events had on impressionable children. I do remember the Saturday Night Massacre. My parents discussed it. They admired Elliot Rivhardson for being a man of integrity and principal. That mattered to my parents. The Watergate Hearings were televised. They were on in my house. We started keeping the news on during dinner. The Boston Globe had both a morning and evening edition--we got both. I understood that Nixon was a crook. Halide man, Erhlichman, G. Gordon Liddy, Dean, Butterfield, etc. at a very young age I learned that you can't trust the government. Years later when Iran-Contra happened I wasn't surprised. What is happening now is really serious and sadly we don't seem to have men (or women) of integtity like Elliot Richardson on the Republican side of the House and Senate. They have the power now and they need to put their own interests aside for the sake of the Republic. Democrats need to do the same but they need some patriotic Republicans that put country before themselves and they don't appear to exist right now.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am only 37. So, I have not seen much more than you have. However, I remember there was a lot of opposition with Bush. People were really upset because Gore won the popular vote. It was a similar situation. However, this time it is much worse.
While I can't compare to the Vietnam era since I was not born, it's ridiculous to compare the current sentiment to Bush II. Yes, there was a demonstration to oppose the Iraq War, but that was a much more predictable thing. A women's march around the country and world with millions of people on the day after the Inauguration?! That really is unprecedented in the last 30-40 years. I mean, scientists are now organizing a march. We never do stuff like that.
I have no idea what the next 4-8 years will bring, other than revolting acquiescence from both sides in Congress, but it'll sure be interesting.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm 50 with clear recollection of Nixon's resignation and the month leading up to it. Since then, I don't think I've seen a president who is as disliked as Trump seems to be.
I agree. I am also 50 and grew up in the only state that rejected Nixon. Remember it well. Nixon came in with protests against him around his inauguration. It didn't end well then and I don't think this will either.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/from-nixon-to-trump-the-parallels-between-1968-and-2016/Content?oid=5086105
I am almost 50, and so only barely remember the political divisions regarding the Vietnam War and then Richard Nixon. My MIL, who accompanied me to the Mall on Saturday, said that she participated in the 1968 Chicago protests. The article cited above theorizes that just as the civil rights, women's movement, and endless foreign wars created a traditionalists vs. progressives split that gave rise to Nixon, similar conditions existed in this election cycle.
My fear is that unlike the Nixon era, which had Nixon vs. a Democrat-controlled Congress---Trump is completely unfettered, as the GOP has shown that it is willing to overlook anything in order to keep power (and from alienating Trump's populist supporters).
Born around 67? You don't remember anything about Vietnam or Nixon.
As for Trump unfettered. He will do his best to piss off both parties from time to time. Then you have those who will politically suck up to America through Trump. For instance, the Democrat proposal of a 1 Trillion Dollar infrastructure plan.
That said, as much as I dislike the man, he will be better at working deals than Obama.
I'm not the person you're responding to, but I was born in 1967 and yes I do remember lots about Nixon. I also remember something about Vietnam. How is it you think we can't remember 1974?
Because you were in 2nd grade in 74?
You remember reruns and docs made well after the fact. There was no CNN, Fox etc. and cable was rare. Much of the news was gathered through newspapers and magazines with 30 minutes of national news in the evening. Not to mention an understanding of government and what was really happening. When you were six did you understand the ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre?
What is your problem? I watched Nixon resign live on TV and discussed it with my parents. I still have the Washington Post with the headlines. No, sorry I did not understand the full ramifications of the Saturday Night Massacre but I understood what a cover up was.
"yes I do remember lots about Nixon"
That's my problem. As one that lived through that time as an adult you have no clue to the whole of what unraveled through Watergate. I could understand it if you were 17 but not 5, 6 or 7.
Those of us who lived through three assignations, Vietnam, Watergate, racism, the riots....well...you just had to be there, and be aware, to fully understand. No way would I try to equate to something I 'knew' about when I was a child and what my parents did.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.
Is there a comparison in modern history?
Your question really should have gone to people over 60. It was like this in the 1960s, with a divided country and a lot of anger on both sides. There was more violence back then, but we are still just at the beginning. Things could get a lot worse.
Anonymous wrote:I'm 50 with clear recollection of Nixon's resignation and the month leading up to it. Since then, I don't think I've seen a president who is as disliked as Trump seems to be.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am 31. I have never seen sustained political resistance and opposition like this towards a president before in my life that I can remember.
Is there a comparison in modern history?
Your question really should have gone to people over 60. It was like this in the 1960s, with a divided country and a lot of anger on both sides. There was more violence back then, but we are still just at the beginning. Things could get a lot worse.