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Anonymous wrote:What is Trump going to do about this?

If he blows up thr H1B vis program i dont give a fuck what else he does. I'll vote him into kinghood.

He got my got due to immigration. Stop the H1B fraud and OPT fraud and F1 fraud. Just make employers pay 150K for the best and brightest. They can have as many as they want at 150k indexed by inflation

Lol. They pay my DH a heck of a lot more than that to do his software engineering job. He does tech interviews for his company, which would love to hire American workers and not deal with H1Bs. Good luck with that. Even the DMV is definitely not flush with smart, talented, experienced softwear engineers. Americans with this skills set can write their own ticket. Because there is not a surplus of Americans with talent, education and experience in this area. Or, if there is, maybe you can point them out?

NP here. You've posted on these threads before about how your husband conducts interviews and is convinced there aren't any -- not a single one -- Americans competent enough or skilled enough to do the job.

You are not convincing. There are plenty of verifiable examples of cases where H1Bs were hired to replace American workers and the American workers were even forced to TRAIN THEM. (Disney in Florida is a case in point.)

The issue is not lack of skills or potential among Americans. It's pay. Companies not only can get away with paying H1B workers a lot less, but they know those workers are dependent on them so are less likely to lodge formal complaints about other issues.

I don't blame the H1B workers, and the worst thing to happen with all of this recent attention on immigration is people demonizing immigrants. The focus should really be on employers who exploit immigrants, the system, et cetera.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

we find hundreds of candidates. where are you looking that you can't find good candidates?

The h1bs we have hired are risk averse, obedient, and not very creative. These candidates tend to be low skilled people that are placed in unix admin, dba, change management, project managers, testers, software developers. used for staff augmentation (latest fad term). it is all about cheap and replaceable.

Our process is pretty demanding. Less than 10% of those who interview get an offer. We test on business (cases), technical and presentation skills. We may be an outlier, that I admit.

US jobs..going, going, gone.

The world is a global marketplace. If someone can do it faster, cheaper, better job for you, you will pay them money.

Tech jobs do not have to be in US.

Anonymous wrote: These candidates tend to be low skilled people that are placed in unix admin, dba, change management, project managers, testers, software developers. used for staff augmentation (latest fad term). it is all about cheap and replaceable.

A Senior Program Manager in Microsoft (Redmond) makes some 180 K salary + 80 K in bonus cash and stock per year. Some a bit more, over 300 K.
Many are H-1B or L-1. If that's cheap for you, my congrats.

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we find hundreds of candidates. where are you looking that you can't find good candidates?

The h1bs we have hired are risk averse, obedient, and not very creative. These candidates tend to be low skilled people that are placed in unix admin, dba, change management, project managers, testers, software developers. used for staff augmentation (latest fad term). it is all about cheap and replaceable.

+ 1,000, 000

Precisely. Well said.

The low level H1B are for low paying and low skilled jobs. I am sure if citizens are willing to work at these low paying and low level jobs at the same pay, they will be hired on the spot.

Low skilled citizens need to emulate these H1B workers. Become risk averse and obedient. Do what you are paid for in a timely and consistent manner. Take your low pay and become a law abiding citizen. Why is it so hard to understand?

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here in DMV there are many many US citizens available for software development jobs.
Maybe your DH should be posting the details because if he can't find americans there is some constraint, maybe clearances are required? or maybe they want developers under 30? or maybe they are looking for the purple squirrel of specific arcane tech knowledge and company will not train? or maybe they only pay 60K a year?
there are lots of smart capable people available in DMV area

Sure there are. And I deal with many of them, unfortunately some as employees.
Typically the major concern is leaving the office at 5 PM, better to find a good reason to leave earlier.
Kid's football game, wedding anniversary, mother's birthday, sister's nuptials, PTA, whatever.
Maximize every long weekend and holiday, personal day and vacation.
Even offering more money works not - they have enough.
Think of early retirement starting at 30.

Au contraire, immigrants typically WORK. Holidays, weekends, nights, Christmas break, whatever.
They came here to WORK and EARN and move UP, and they always want just one thing - MORE and UP.
More work and more advancement. I've never had one asking me for time off, but dozens asking for more overtime.
They are not necessarily better qualified (many are worse) or have unique skills (most don't),
but showing up is 80% of winning as said.
Sure there are exceptions both ways, but some 90% are that way in either case.

That is not ONLY because immigrants are desperate for GC ore because Indians or Russians somehow smarter,
or better educated, or work harder in their countries: they aren't and don't, or their countries would be above USA.
It is self-selection of people who come here. Those willing to give up their friends, family, native language, familiar food and culture,
etc. to jump through the hoops and suffer immigration indignities to MOVE UP.

I am one, former H-1B. I am a US citizen for 10 years now, desperate for nothing.
It is Sunday, nice day outside. I am at work (as always), writing this in my lunch break at my desk.

If you call that "compliant workforce", so be it.

Trump is doing everything to make sure that Education dollars are reduced and the money from the vouchers go to the rich. This is the way it is in India. Good and quality education is only available to middle class and rich. Most poor children are working to bring money to their impoverished homes instead of going to school and they know not to dream big.

This is the way of the world. There is no need to educate everyone. Once you educate these ungrateful poor students, what do you get? Since the education system is crappy and the students are not motivated, you have a boat load of stupid people who are semi-literate and think they are too good to do low paying jobs.

The law of the jungle is that only the powerful survive. The law of the jungle is upon us.

Good news is that 3000 new jobs is slateded to open in the southern city of Hyderabad in India. Trump was reported to be in talks with some businessmen to build a new hotel in one of the southern states a while back. I wonder if this is a case of "you scratch our back, Mr. Trump, and we will scratch yours! " ?

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

we find hundreds of candidates. where are you looking that you can't find good candidates?

The h1bs we have hired are risk averse, obedient, and not very creative. These candidates tend to be low skilled people that are placed in unix admin, dba, change management, project managers, testers, software developers. used for staff augmentation (latest fad term). it is all about cheap and replaceable.

Hey King Trump! There goes some more good jobs from America. Oh shit, he's not here, he's in Mar-A-Largo again this weekend (on taxpayer $).

Anonymous wrote:maybe if we improved public education in the US we would not need to hire skilled workers from India.

The main reason tech companies hire from India is that they are cheap labor, it's not due to a lack of talent among US workers. It's just greed.

I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

Why should any tech company have to pay 150K in salary when they can get this work done for 60K, either by H1B visas or by sending the work offshore?

The only way American workers can get jobs in this country is by being very well qualified and skilled. These kinds of workers are gold and can write their own ticket.

Now, with the poor education system in the US, it is mainly Asian students who are coming up on the top by working very hard. So, even if the jobs were to go to US citizens, they will be Asian Americans.

So, the biggest con artist of all time will spend his time in the golf courses and rake in the cash, and those who had pinned their hope on an empty promise will keep waiting for the tide to turn.

Maybe things will change. I am waiting for criminal illegal immigrants to be deported, a stop to illegal immigrants, and all poor people dying because they will not be covered due to the new healthcare. The elites will take the country back, and Indian will get the chance to be the new BFF of the Trump administration.

Is there any way we can introduce Hindi Language in the school system now? We should get rid of the French and German, lets keep the focus on Spanish, Hindi and Chinese.

"60 Minutes" is covering the H-1B scam tonight.

They're even interviewing Americans who had to retrain their low-cost replacements!

Usually the media focuses on the Indian bodyshops like TCS, Infosys, Wipro, and others that will have to charge the going wage if H1B eliminated.

The US contributes nearly 62 per cent of the exports. Analysts are of the opinion that Indian tech companies could easily witness around 60-70 per cent rise in salaries of H-1B visa dependent workforce, leading to a 5-10 per cent hit on the margins, depending on the total base of employees currently on H-1B visas. Asked why Indian companies were in panic over the protectionist stance of the new US administration, Murthy said Indian companies will have to learn to work with non-Indian professionals and become more multi-cultural.

Heights of hypocrisy. The company with the highest number of H1Bs is giving a lecture to others. If NM has guts he should stop Infosys from filing H1B applications...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/stop-sending-indians-on-h-1b-start-hiring-us-locals-narayana-murthy-to-it-companies/articleshow/56941808.cms

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Anonymous wrote:What is Trump going to do about this?

If he blows up thr H1B vis program i dont give a fuck what else he does. I'll vote him into kinghood.

He got my got due to immigration. Stop the H1B fraud and OPT fraud and F1 fraud. Just make employers pay 150K for the best and brightest. They can have as many as they want at 150k indexed by inflation

Lol. They pay my DH a heck of a lot more than that to do his software engineering job. He does tech interviews for his company, which would love to hire American workers and not deal with H1Bs. Good luck with that. Even the DMV is definitely not flush with smart, talented, experienced softwear engineers. Americans with this skills set can write their own ticket. Because there is not a surplus of Americans with talent, education and experience in this area. Or, if there is, maybe you can point them out?

I hire software testers and software developers. We get hundreds of resumes. Every year our colleges graduate 3 million graduates. Please do not post this type of CEO zuckerberg, gates, ellison propaganda

here in DMV there are many many US citizens available for software development jobs.

Maybe your DH should be posting the details because if he can't find americans there is some constraint, maybe clearances are required? or maybe they want developers under 30? or maybe they are looking for the purple squirrel of specific arcane tech knowledge and company will not train? or maybe they only pay 60K a year?

there are lots of smart capable people available in DMV area

Yup. I'm a VP of a local tech company. We proudly only employ US citizens and greencard holders. I'm teach a class at GMU and have made some very fine hires right here locally from Mason. Beyond a doubt the program is absued.

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Anonymous wrote:maybe if we improved public education in the US we would not need to hire skilled workers from India.

seriously. this is the problem with being singularly focused on keeping manufacturing in the US. let's fix the education system.

agree

It's the best proactive measure out there. But this country - as is seen through the number of illiterate graduates - does not value education.