Anonymous
12/30/2016 17:25
Subject: Re:Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are many reasons why Trump's compliment to Putin should raise a series of red flags. Putin has a history of cracking down on free speech, as Pussy Riot member Nadya Tolokonnikova warns. Tolokonnikova, along with other members of Pussy Riot, spent nearly two years unjustly imprisoned for a performance that was critical of Putin. Additionally, Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Flynn] was recently found to have partnered with a firm run by a man with alleged KGB ties. The KGB was the main security agency of the Soviet Union from 1954 until it was disbanded in 1991, but many experts have compared the recent hackings to the old methods used by the KGB. Finally, if Trump is looking to Putin as the benchmark for leadership, we have a lot of reasons to be concerned about LGBTQ+ rights, as Russia has passed a series of anti-LGBTQ+ laws and Putin himself signed a law banning "gay propaganda."
Trump, as the president-elect, and even as a presidential candidate, has a huge impact on the beliefs of the American people. When he says things (or tweets them), his supporters believe him. So when he is dismissive of a serious threat to the U.S.'s security, or when his definition of truth continues to remain flexible, that is extremely dangerous. U.S. intelligence officials have explicitly stated that Russia has orchestrated an attack on American democracy. And the fact that the incoming president not only minimizes those claims but actually praises the man behind that attack is endlessly disturbing and a huge threat to our country's future.
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-praises-putin-after-obama-administration-imposes-sanctions-on-russia?mbid=social_twitter
teen vogue?
Catch up. Teen Vogue has actually been doing some great political writing.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 17:20
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:Fresh Air interview about Trump/Russia connections:
"Journalist: Trump Seems 'Willfully Blind' To Putin's Real Goals"
"It's the way Trump talks about Putin and Russia. There's something mysterious about it. There's something that I think we don't completely understand. And I like to talk about it in terms of - you know, there's this concept in astrophysics, dark matter in the universe. And it's this stuff that holds the universe together. But we can't see it. We know it's out there. We know it has some kind of gravitational pull. But we can't define exactly what it is.
And with Trump and Putin, there is this very strange way in which Trump constantly forgives Putin for his bad actions. He dismisses accusations against Putin. He says - he finds alternate explanations. Just to give you a couple quick examples, we have all followed the story of the Russian hacking during this election. And Trump has been very reluctant to admit that this actually happened. You know, and he said, you never know. It could be a 400-pound guy sitting on his mother's bed.
But it goes back much farther. You know, when Trump was asked about whether Putin has political opponents and journalists killed, Trump said, well, you don't know that. People say that he does it. But I don't know if it's true. When the passenger jet MH17 was shot down over Ukraine a couple of years ago, and international investigation concluded, this was supported by all kinds of Western intelligence agencies - that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists using a missile supplied by Moscow. Trump was asked about that. And he said, well, people say that. But you don't know.
And there's other theories out there. Even the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian who drank polonium from a tea cup in London and died after that - he was a big Putin critic. Trump has been asked about that - same thing. We don't know. We don't know. He seems almost, you know, willfully blind to this pattern of Putin's actions in a way that doesn't add up. It makes you think that there's something going on that we don't completely understand. And that's really frustrating and, I think, for a lot of people, very troubling."
Since I am USA-hating lib-tard, I am going to enjoy the show of Trump/GOP doing Putin's bidding and annihilate USA interests globally. Yahoo!
Too many people in the U.S. (irrespective of party) are way to willing to believe the worst about Putin and Russia. And really most of the rest of the world. It was shown many times that U.S. Media routinely exaggerate numbers of victims in remote wars by factors of tens or hundreds. Same for numbers of people killed by various dictators etc. there is certain provinciliasm very wide spread in the U.S. In that they think the rest of the world except for Western Europe is hell hole. For whatever reason trump actually doesn't seem to have that particular affliction.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 17:16
Subject: Re:Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:There are many reasons why Trump's compliment to Putin should raise a series of red flags. Putin has a history of cracking down on free speech, as Pussy Riot member Nadya Tolokonnikova warns. Tolokonnikova, along with other members of Pussy Riot, spent nearly two years unjustly imprisoned for a performance that was critical of Putin. Additionally, Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Flynn] was recently found to have partnered with a firm run by a man with alleged KGB ties. The KGB was the main security agency of the Soviet Union from 1954 until it was disbanded in 1991, but many experts have compared the recent hackings to the old methods used by the KGB. Finally, if Trump is looking to Putin as the benchmark for leadership, we have a lot of reasons to be concerned about LGBTQ+ rights, as Russia has passed a series of anti-LGBTQ+ laws and Putin himself signed a law banning "gay propaganda."
Trump, as the president-elect, and even as a presidential candidate, has a huge impact on the beliefs of the American people. When he says things (or tweets them), his supporters believe him. So when he is dismissive of a serious threat to the U.S.'s security, or when his definition of truth continues to remain flexible, that is extremely dangerous. U.S. intelligence officials have explicitly stated that Russia has orchestrated an attack on American democracy. And the fact that the incoming president not only minimizes those claims but actually praises the man behind that attack is endlessly disturbing and a huge threat to our country's future.
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-praises-putin-after-obama-administration-imposes-sanctions-on-russia?mbid=social_twitter
teen vogue?
Anonymous
12/30/2016 17:14
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-slams-trumps-claims-of-a-rigged-election-as-whining-before-the-game-is-even-over/2016/10/18/b5530c12-9551-11e6-9b7c-57290af48a49_story.html?utm_term=.1e271ddc6510
President Obama lashed out at Donald Trump on Tuesday, saying that the Republican nominee’s insistence that the election was being rigged undermines the country’s democratic traditions and demonstrates that he is not fit for the White House.
Obama accused Trump of “whining before the game is even over” and described Trump’s remarks as “unprecedented.”
“I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place,” Obama said.
Obama, who was appearing at a joint news conference with Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, initially said he was reluctant to criticize Trump in such a setting. “I’m going to be a little more subdued in my discussions of the Republican nominee in this context than I might be on the campaign trail,” Obama said.
But the president, clearly troubled by Trump’s claims of a fixed election, quickly decided not to hold back. He described Trump’s allegations as a threat to American democracy and to the“integrity and trust” of the country’s civic institutions.
President Obama lashed out at Donald Trump on Tuesday, saying that the Republican nominee’s insistence that the election was being rigged undermines the country’s democratic traditions and demonstrates that he is not fit for the White House.
Obama accused Trump of “whining before the game is even over” and described Trump’s remarks as “unprecedented.”
“I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place,” Obama said.
Obama, who was appearing at a joint news conference with Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, initially said he was reluctant to criticize Trump in such a setting. “I’m going to be a little more subdued in my discussions of the Republican nominee in this context than I might be on the campaign trail,” Obama said.
But the president, clearly troubled by Trump’s claims of a fixed election, quickly decided not to hold back. He described Trump’s allegations as a threat to American democracy and to the“integrity and trust” of the country’s civic institutions.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 17:04
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Pretty sad when the PEOTUS is retweeted by a Russia propaganda site. Trump is just too dense to realize he is getting played.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:49
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:I am 100% certain that if Trump tweeted admiration from Kim Jong-un his supporters (and the trolls on this board) would support and admire that as well. Our future President posting about his admiration for Putin should give everyone the chills.
Oh political psychic is back. Love its suppositions about everything Trump would do.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:32
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Fresh Air interview about Trump/Russia connections:
"Journalist: Trump Seems 'Willfully Blind' To Putin's Real Goals"
"It's the way Trump talks about Putin and Russia. There's something mysterious about it. There's something that I think we don't completely understand. And I like to talk about it in terms of - you know, there's this concept in astrophysics, dark matter in the universe. And it's this stuff that holds the universe together. But we can't see it. We know it's out there. We know it has some kind of gravitational pull. But we can't define exactly what it is.
And with Trump and Putin, there is this very strange way in which Trump constantly forgives Putin for his bad actions. He dismisses accusations against Putin. He says - he finds alternate explanations. Just to give you a couple quick examples, we have all followed the story of the Russian hacking during this election. And Trump has been very reluctant to admit that this actually happened. You know, and he said, you never know. It could be a 400-pound guy sitting on his mother's bed.
But it goes back much farther. You know, when Trump was asked about whether Putin has political opponents and journalists killed, Trump said, well, you don't know that. People say that he does it. But I don't know if it's true. When the passenger jet MH17 was shot down over Ukraine a couple of years ago, and international investigation concluded, this was supported by all kinds of Western intelligence agencies - that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists using a missile supplied by Moscow. Trump was asked about that. And he said, well, people say that. But you don't know.
And there's other theories out there. Even the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian who drank polonium from a tea cup in London and died after that - he was a big Putin critic. Trump has been asked about that - same thing. We don't know. We don't know. He seems almost, you know, willfully blind to this pattern of Putin's actions in a way that doesn't add up. It makes you think that there's something going on that we don't completely understand. And that's really frustrating and, I think, for a lot of people, very troubling."
Since I am USA-hating lib-tard, I am going to enjoy the show of Trump/GOP doing Putin's bidding and annihilate USA interests globally. Yahoo!
"Journalist: Trump Seems 'Willfully Blind' To Putin's Real Goals"
"It's the way Trump talks about Putin and Russia. There's something mysterious about it. There's something that I think we don't completely understand. And I like to talk about it in terms of - you know, there's this concept in astrophysics, dark matter in the universe. And it's this stuff that holds the universe together. But we can't see it. We know it's out there. We know it has some kind of gravitational pull. But we can't define exactly what it is.
And with Trump and Putin, there is this very strange way in which Trump constantly forgives Putin for his bad actions. He dismisses accusations against Putin. He says - he finds alternate explanations. Just to give you a couple quick examples, we have all followed the story of the Russian hacking during this election. And Trump has been very reluctant to admit that this actually happened. You know, and he said, you never know. It could be a 400-pound guy sitting on his mother's bed.
But it goes back much farther. You know, when Trump was asked about whether Putin has political opponents and journalists killed, Trump said, well, you don't know that. People say that he does it. But I don't know if it's true. When the passenger jet MH17 was shot down over Ukraine a couple of years ago, and international investigation concluded, this was supported by all kinds of Western intelligence agencies - that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists using a missile supplied by Moscow. Trump was asked about that. And he said, well, people say that. But you don't know.
And there's other theories out there. Even the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian who drank polonium from a tea cup in London and died after that - he was a big Putin critic. Trump has been asked about that - same thing. We don't know. We don't know. He seems almost, you know, willfully blind to this pattern of Putin's actions in a way that doesn't add up. It makes you think that there's something going on that we don't completely understand. And that's really frustrating and, I think, for a lot of people, very troubling."
Since I am USA-hating lib-tard, I am going to enjoy the show of Trump/GOP doing Putin's bidding and annihilate USA interests globally. Yahoo!
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:32
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
I am 100% certain that if Trump tweeted admiration from Kim Jong-un his supporters (and the trolls on this board) would support and admire that as well. Our future President posting about his admiration for Putin should give everyone the chills.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:30
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is diplomacy and no worse than that sophomoric and amateurish Reset Button.
Obama has never engaged Russia as he should have. He has disregarded Putin and Russia and now with days left, is grasping at straws to seem like he's an engaged leader.
The whole Romney/the 80s called they want the foreign policy back blather was actually Obama's attitude-dismissive and ineffectual- for 8 years.
He's in the last part of a failed Presidency. Two horrible Secretaries of State and a huge blunder in ME policy.
Failed presidency = no. John Kerry was an excellent SoS.
How was he "excellent"?
Being a Diplomat (one that is serious about real diplomacy) is the most frustrating career anyone could have when you are dealing with massive egos and military might. In my opinion he has never wavered even though he was dealing with serious push back. If he had more time he would have had a lot more 'wins'. Less than 4 years is a very short time with all the global issues we've had since the 80's.
To be fair, he inerhited Hillary's disaster. Problem is, he was one of those sycophants dining with Assad before he hated him. He is as impotent and incapable as Hillary was
Clinton inherited disasters from the Bush Admin. Everyone hated us; 2 ground wars.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:27
Subject: Re:Trump's worship of Putin
There are many reasons why Trump's compliment to Putin should raise a series of red flags. Putin has a history of cracking down on free speech, as Pussy Riot member Nadya Tolokonnikova warns. Tolokonnikova, along with other members of Pussy Riot, spent nearly two years unjustly imprisoned for a performance that was critical of Putin. Additionally, Trump’s national security adviser, Michael Flynn] was recently found to have partnered with a firm run by a man with alleged KGB ties. The KGB was the main security agency of the Soviet Union from 1954 until it was disbanded in 1991, but many experts have compared the recent hackings to the old methods used by the KGB. Finally, if Trump is looking to Putin as the benchmark for leadership, we have a lot of reasons to be concerned about LGBTQ+ rights, as Russia has passed a series of anti-LGBTQ+ laws and Putin himself signed a law banning "gay propaganda."
Trump, as the president-elect, and even as a presidential candidate, has a huge impact on the beliefs of the American people. When he says things (or tweets them), his supporters believe him. So when he is dismissive of a serious threat to the U.S.'s security, or when his definition of truth continues to remain flexible, that is extremely dangerous. U.S. intelligence officials have explicitly stated that Russia has orchestrated an attack on American democracy. And the fact that the incoming president not only minimizes those claims but actually praises the man behind that attack is endlessly disturbing and a huge threat to our country's future.
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-praises-putin-after-obama-administration-imposes-sanctions-on-russia?mbid=social_twitter
Trump, as the president-elect, and even as a presidential candidate, has a huge impact on the beliefs of the American people. When he says things (or tweets them), his supporters believe him. So when he is dismissive of a serious threat to the U.S.'s security, or when his definition of truth continues to remain flexible, that is extremely dangerous. U.S. intelligence officials have explicitly stated that Russia has orchestrated an attack on American democracy. And the fact that the incoming president not only minimizes those claims but actually praises the man behind that attack is endlessly disturbing and a huge threat to our country's future.
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump-praises-putin-after-obama-administration-imposes-sanctions-on-russia?mbid=social_twitter
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:27
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is diplomacy and no worse than that sophomoric and amateurish Reset Button.
Obama has never engaged Russia as he should have. He has disregarded Putin and Russia and now with days left, is grasping at straws to seem like he's an engaged leader.
The whole Romney/the 80s called they want the foreign policy back blather was actually Obama's attitude-dismissive and ineffectual- for 8 years.
He's in the last part of a failed Presidency. Two horrible Secretaries of State and a huge blunder in ME policy.
Failed presidency = no. John Kerry was an excellent SoS.
How was he "excellent"?
Being a Diplomat (one that is serious about real diplomacy) is the most frustrating career anyone could have when you are dealing with massive egos and military might. In my opinion he has never wavered even though he was dealing with serious push back. If he had more time he would have had a lot more 'wins'. Less than 4 years is a very short time with all the global issues we've had since the 80's.
To be fair, he inerhited Hillary's disaster. Problem is, he was one of those sycophants dining with Assad before he hated him. He is as impotent and incapable as Hillary was
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:20
Subject: Re:Trump's worship of Putin
Trump is kissing Putin's ass because of his ties going back since the 80's. His supporters refuse to acknowledge it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/584d5afde4b01713310511ad?timestamp=1481466765577
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/584d5afde4b01713310511ad?timestamp=1481466765577
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:20
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/105/608552.page
Great thread on Russian hacking and lack of actual evidence.
Great thread on Russian hacking and lack of actual evidence.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:18
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is diplomacy and no worse than that sophomoric and amateurish Reset Button.
Obama has never engaged Russia as he should have. He has disregarded Putin and Russia and now with days left, is grasping at straws to seem like he's an engaged leader.
The whole Romney/the 80s called they want the foreign policy back blather was actually Obama's attitude-dismissive and ineffectual- for 8 years.
He's in the last part of a failed Presidency. Two horrible Secretaries of State and a huge blunder in ME policy.
Failed presidency = no. John Kerry was an excellent SoS.
Failed Presentation Denny. Worse relations with Russia in decades, failed economy and first President since Hoover not to see 3% GDP growth, worse racial tension I've seen since the sixties. Obama's is a legacy of failure.
Kerry has accomplished as little as HRC. He's carrying on her failed policies. We haven't had a foreign policy win in at least a decade. The Russians saw our weakness with the SART treaty. They capitalized and became the big boy on the block leaving our limp-wristed President out as Putin and Turkey bring stability to the ME.
I'd say that's a failure
You can say PBO is a failure until you are blue in the face but it doesn't make it true.
Anonymous
12/30/2016 16:17
Subject: Trump's worship of Putin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Obama is done, Trump is our new President and he has to work with Russia/Putin.
At this point, Obama is just tantruming. Obama has been hopeless with foreign policy, as evidenced most recently with Putin and Erdogan agreeing to a ceasefire while Obama vacations and was completely left out of the convo.
Again, this discussion was more focused on Trump. I said diplomacy is central but Trump is a fanboy.
M[citstion needed]
So Trump should just ineffectually ignore Russia as Obama did for 8 years?
Putin is making Obama look like an idiot on the global stage. Geesh.
No just no. Most respected countries see Putin for the dictator he is except Trump.
It is ridiculous to compare Obama and Putin. One is a pathetic lame duck and the other a force to be reckoned with within global politics.
Wherever I like or approve of Putin or Russian government is immaterial.
Trump has to deal with Putin. I suppose he should just disregard Putin and pretend he doesn't exist, ala fingers in the ears, ala Obama?
no. here is the russia policy that "smart people" embrace. repeat "putin is a thug and a murderer" at least twice a day. only experts understand how this simple mantra brings incredibly great results.