Anonymous
Post 01/01/2017 04:49     Subject: Re:relationship heartbreak w kids

Anonymous wrote:
They both work in the summer. They really are good kids. I just hope I can turn this around.
Oh, and I didn't say anything to my DH about the Christmas incident or a few other things. I didn't want it to become him coming to the rescue. They would apologize and not really mean it. I want them to understand on their own.


Anonymous wrote:I remember treating my parents like this sometimes even though I had a job all through high school on the weekends and was expected to pay for the "extras." Sometimes kids are just assholes. I think my mom telling me how much I disappointed her and hurt her feelings when I acted that way given all she and my dad had done for me always made me reflect.


Could you try asking them how they think you should handle it?

"I understand you might be under a lot of stress, but you behavior really is hurting my feelings. I love you. I also don't wan things to continue on like this. Any ideas on how we can fix it together?"
Anonymous
Post 12/31/2016 19:22     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

It's really simple, but not easy. Cut them off. Just say, 'time to get a job' next time they demand funds. They'll throw tantrums and hate you, maybe for years. But it'll slap them out of their entitled stupor right into adulthood.
mshakespeare
Post 12/30/2016 15:03     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm sorry you're going through this. I have younger kids so can't offer any parenting advice. But, I can say that I personally was (1) spoiled and (2) fairly depressed and angsty and miserable in late high school and early college. I hope I didn't treat my parents this way, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if I did.

My dad yelled at me one time when I was home visiting, really laid into me, for picking up a cashmere throw that belonged to my stepmother and taking it outside to cover up while I sat on a dirty porch chair. He told me I needed to have respect for other people's things, to not assume I had access to everything, and to remember that the world didn't revolve around me. It was harsh at the time, but I still remember it and have ever since tried to act like a respectful guest now when I'm home. Point being, talk straight with your kids about what you expect and brook no dissent. They are adults now and should be acting like it. Neither you nor anyone else is their punching bag for whatever else is going on in their lives.


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The circumstances of my falling out with my father were different, but the underlying lesson was the same.

I have seen him once in the past fifteen years. He has not and hopefully never will meet DC. (I don't want to expose him to that man.) We're basically strangers, and I don't want anything to do with him. Ever.

Don't "lay into" your kids, OP. They're being entitled jerks, because you raised them that way. But they will grow up and assume responsibilities and feel thankful in life. Unless you choose to be a dick to them.[/quote

What a typically horrible response. Your solution is for OP to suck up her kids abuse and wait it out for them to get over themselves and figure out how to be respectful, grateful, children? I mean really... Isn't that the greatest parenting advice ever. "It's just a phase, they'll grow out of it."

NO. Actions should have consequences. And it is a parents job to enforce values. This behavior, does not stop at home. It creates a personality, a set of values, a sense of entitlement, that will go with these kids for the rest of their lives because no one ever told them NO, or that is NOT the way to treat people, especially your MOTHER. There used to be a time, that women would say, see how a man treats his mom, because that is the way that they will treat you. If that is still the case, than I feel sorry for any woman that dates OPs sons.

It's NEVER okay to be an asshole to your mother, regardless of what is going on. And to not teach them how to productively deal with stress, pressure, and rough times, without being abusive to someone is neglectful of the parent.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 14:49     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

Anonymous wrote:I was not receiving financial aid so I was able to work on campus. My friends who had off campus jobs had a really tough time keeping up with their studies. One semester I grew a beard and when I came home my father refused to pay tuition unless I shaved it off. That was almost 50 years ago and to this day it really bothers me that I gave in. I grew my beard back after college when I was in the Peace Corps. For other reasons, my relationship with my father deteriorated while I was in college and continued to deteriorate as I grew older. My father died two years ago but I don't know what I could have done to heal things.


I meant I was NOT able to work on campus.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 14:47     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

I was not receiving financial aid so I was able to work on campus. My friends who had off campus jobs had a really tough time keeping up with their studies. One semester I grew a beard and when I came home my father refused to pay tuition unless I shaved it off. That was almost 50 years ago and to this day it really bothers me that I gave in. I grew my beard back after college when I was in the Peace Corps. For other reasons, my relationship with my father deteriorated while I was in college and continued to deteriorate as I grew older. My father died two years ago but I don't know what I could have done to heal things.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 13:34     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

^^thankful in time
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 13:33     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm sorry you're going through this. I have younger kids so can't offer any parenting advice. But, I can say that I personally was (1) spoiled and (2) fairly depressed and angsty and miserable in late high school and early college. I hope I didn't treat my parents this way, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if I did.

My dad yelled at me one time when I was home visiting, really laid into me, for picking up a cashmere throw that belonged to my stepmother and taking it outside to cover up while I sat on a dirty porch chair. He told me I needed to have respect for other people's things, to not assume I had access to everything, and to remember that the world didn't revolve around me. It was harsh at the time, but I still remember it and have ever since tried to act like a respectful guest now when I'm home. Point being, talk straight with your kids about what you expect and brook no dissent. They are adults now and should be acting like it. Neither you nor anyone else is their punching bag for whatever else is going on in their lives.


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The circumstances of my falling out with my father were different, but the underlying lesson was the same.

I have seen him once in the past fifteen years. He has not and hopefully never will meet DC. (I don't want to expose him to that man.) We're basically strangers, and I don't want anything to do with him. Ever.

Don't "lay into" your kids, OP. They're being entitled jerks, because you raised them that way. But they will grow up and assume responsibilities and feel thankful in life. Unless you choose to be a dick to them.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 10:32     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't they working? I was raised differently: you start working at 16yo and pay for your own clothes, etc.

I wouldn't threaten to cut them off unless they are nicer and more appreciative. Instead, realize that they are adults and need to start working, even if it's just for spending money. Separately, they also need to learn to be nice.


Yes.

Why aren't they working? As college students, they are adults.

I know parents say all they time that they do not want their college students working because they want them studying, but don't you realize what a load of BS that is? Did you people not go away to college?

I worked my way through college and 100% did it on my own. I had many friends (my current husband included) who did not have jobs and whose parents paid for everything. Do you think they were spending all that free time studying? Not in the least, especially the first 3 years of school. While I was working, they were sleeping, shopping, partying, playing video games, watching TV...anything but studying. They studied no more than I did or not oess than I did. This held true for the first three years. The final year I would have loved more free time though.

I am sure things are not much different today.

Your kids need to earn their own spending money and get jobs.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2016 10:02     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

This is an example of lax, indulgent parenting. You created the monsters, OP. I would give them $200 a month allowance with the proviso that they get a job at school and full time job in summer. You, and only you, can stop their abuse of you.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 19:49     Subject: Re:relationship heartbreak w kids

Tough not touch
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 19:48     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why aren't they working? I was raised differently: you start working at 16yo and pay for your own clothes, etc.

I wouldn't threaten to cut them off unless they are nicer and more appreciative. Instead, realize that they are adults and need to start working, even if it's just for spending money. Separately, they also need to learn to be nice.


I did not work at college while I was taking full time classes. When I took part time, I did. But not full time. I couldn't have done either successfully.


I did both successfully. But the real issue is, if your parents were supporting you at the time, were you appreciative or nasty? If you were appreciative you deserve the assistance. If my kid was having a touch semester and finding it hard to work and treating me rudely I'd tell her to take a semester off to earn money.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 11:12     Subject: Re:relationship heartbreak w kids

I remember treating my parents like this sometimes even though I had a job all through high school on the weekends and was expected to pay for the "extras." Sometimes kids are just assholes. I think my mom telling me how much I disappointed her and hurt her feelings when I acted that way given all she and my dad had done for me always made me reflect.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2016 10:53     Subject: Re:relationship heartbreak w kids

A parents job is to prepare their children to be able to survive without them. I don't understand this generation of competition trophies, excuses, and hand outs. How does that possibly prepare these kids for real life? Their job isn't going to care if they had a bad day. Their significant others, hopefully won't tolerate them taking their feelings out on them because they are stressed out. Their bills aren't going to care if their workload is too much.

Life is NOT easy. It's hard. It's amazing and beautiful and fun. But it is also HARD. And kids need to understand this. They need to understand that anything worth having you have to work hard for. Entitlement is a killer for children.

OP - STOP IT NOW. Teach these kids how to work hard for the things that they want. If they want it bad enough, they will find a way to have it. Much like many adults who are successful. Teach them how to thrive on adversity, how to find solutions, how to be respectful and gracious for the things that they have and for the people who have helped them. You're not doing anyone any favors allowing them to behave this way.
Anonymous
Post 12/28/2016 21:30     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

My daughter is a senior and son is a sophomore, so this is strange to start now.
Anonymous
Post 12/28/2016 20:17     Subject: relationship heartbreak w kids

I was two pps ago and forgot to mention that as you probably know, sometimes children and parents both regress when they're back together. Kids act like immature kids and parents treat then like that, which comes as a shock after the new found freedom. It takes a lot of conscious work on both sides not to regress.