Anonymous
12/19/2016 07:03
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:these athletes were also found using racist, homophobic, and misogynist slurs. That's an actual problem.
Using them and acting on them are two different things. I don't want to live in a society controlled by the thought police--no matter how disgusting I find their speech. This is not the way to eradicate racism, homophobia or misogyny.
Well said. You can't legislate or punish people into behaving the way you deem they should behave. The thought police need to back off on this and let the kids figure this out themselves. Sadly in life your feelings will get hurt, people will say things that upset you and you will have to learn how to deal with it or we will all be on meds trying to stay sane. Life sometimes sucks, hopefully the non sucky times outweigh the sucky times.
Of course societies use legislation and/or punishment to get people to behave the way they believe they should. And it's disingenuous to claim that the consequences imposed in this case are illegitimate because they won't eradicate racism, homophobia or misogyny when the alternative you embrace is do nothing.
As for the thought/action distinction, no one is probing brains here. The universities are looking at collectively-authored documents and listserv discussions that were ongoing and involved multiple team members. I feel for the team members who didn't participate, but I also think that it's important to create an environment where joining an athletic team doesn't require participating in or being surrounded by this kind of BS. Presumably this stuff comes to light because some team members aren't comfortable with these activities and expose them (maybe not directly to university officials but to other students who find this kind of behavior problematic).
Universities, especially private residential colleges, have always asserted their right to judge the conduct of students and to separate students who don't meet their standards from the community. The sanctions imposed here have been much less drastic and go directly to the question of how the school represents itself. If you think universities should not be involved in combatting racism, sexism, and homophobia on campus, then encourage your DC to seek out a school that doesn't take these issues seriously. They're out there.
Anonymous
12/19/2016 05:35
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
I believe him too.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much sock puppeting by mysoginists in this thread. Wow. Have you missed the past two years of conversations about rape culture?
Did you miss what happened on November 8th? This disingenuous pearl clutching is creating a backlash. Privately making unflattering, crude, comments about a woman's physical appearance is not "rape culture."
So, do you not see a link between writing and thinking about something and acting? Don't you think that if they say it ( like Donald) than they do it? We all know he did attack women because he told us multiple times and the people who voted for him didn't believe him. But, I do.
Anonymous
12/19/2016 05:33
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Hogwash story. Not buying it. If that woman had the cajones to say that, then she definitely would've had a retort for the fake sob story.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many women were "hurt"?
I used to call myself a liberal. I wish I was able to articulate how the recent persecutorial, hyper PC, pearl-clutching culture, has turned me against the left.
Keep this BS up, and you'll end up with a generation of young men voting for Trump-like politicians purely out of disgust for the partisan outrage culture.
Very true. My son was wearing his Redskins winter hat and a young lady approached him and told him that it was offensive.
He turned the tables on her and told her that he was poor, he got the cap at Goodwill, it was cold, and it was a warm cap in great shape for two dollars. He then apologized to her saying he was sorry that the only cap he could afford triggered her. She literally turned beet red and left with out saying a word.
Love it when their PC nonsense bites them in the rear.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 20:40
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Using them and acting on them are two different things. I don't want to live in a society controlled by the thought police--no matter how disgusting I find their speech. This is not the way to eradicate racism, homophobia or misogyny.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have none of you ever played on a girls sports team or lived in a sorority house--hell, even a dorm. It isn't just males pulling this crap. It is just males suffering the consequences.
I played soccer and lived in a sorority house. We didn't do any of that stuff.
+1. I have no idea what the pp is talking about. What are you suggesting women do in these settings because I obviously missed the boat?
True, ice hockey college team player here. We had and still have our ranking system for the guy athletes on campus. It goes both ways.
Two different issues have been lumped together. Ranking the attractiveness of the opposite sex may be crude but there's nothing wrong with it, especially if it's private correspondence between friends.
However, these athletes were also found using racist, homophobic, and misogynist slurs. That's an actual problem.
Well said. You can't legislate or punish people into behaving the way you deem they should behave. The thought police need to back off on this and let the kids figure this out themselves. Sadly in life your feelings will get hurt, people will say things that upset you and you will have to learn how to deal with it or we will all be on meds trying to stay sane. Life sometimes sucks, hopefully the non sucky times outweigh the sucky times.
Translate, as long as it sucks for them and not me all is well
Anonymous
12/18/2016 19:43
Subject: Re:harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:What is wustl?
Anonymous
12/18/2016 19:22
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much sock puppeting by mysoginists in this thread. Wow. Have you missed the past two years of conversations about rape culture?
Did you miss what happened on November 8th? This disingenuous pearl clutching is creating a backlash. Privately making unflattering, crude, comments about a woman's physical appearance is not "rape culture."
I call BS. This stuff has been going on FOREVER and you can't pin this on Trump or any other politician, athlete, etc. behavior. Men and women have been attacking each other's physical appearance since the beginning of time and we have just become too sensitive to even the smallest of insults. This is not a result of November 8th, let it go.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 19:20
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Using them and acting on them are two different things. I don't want to live in a society controlled by the thought police--no matter how disgusting I find their speech. This is not the way to eradicate racism, homophobia or misogyny.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have none of you ever played on a girls sports team or lived in a sorority house--hell, even a dorm. It isn't just males pulling this crap. It is just males suffering the consequences.
I played soccer and lived in a sorority house. We didn't do any of that stuff.
+1. I have no idea what the pp is talking about. What are you suggesting women do in these settings because I obviously missed the boat?
True, ice hockey college team player here. We had and still have our ranking system for the guy athletes on campus. It goes both ways.
Two different issues have been lumped together. Ranking the attractiveness of the opposite sex may be crude but there's nothing wrong with it, especially if it's private correspondence between friends.
However, these athletes were also found using racist, homophobic, and misogynist slurs. That's an actual problem.
Well said. You can't legislate or punish people into behaving the way you deem they should behave. The thought police need to back off on this and let the kids figure this out themselves. Sadly in life your feelings will get hurt, people will say things that upset you and you will have to learn how to deal with it or we will all be on meds trying to stay sane. Life sometimes sucks, hopefully the non sucky times outweigh the sucky times.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 19:19
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much sock puppeting by mysoginists in this thread. Wow. Have you missed the past two years of conversations about rape culture?
Did you miss what happened on November 8th? This disingenuous pearl clutching is creating a backlash. Privately making unflattering, crude, comments about a woman's physical appearance is not "rape culture."
I really don't think that was what the election was about.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 18:47
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
You are really obtuse, aren't you 18:43? You are a sad, sad excuse for a human.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 18:43
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So much sock puppeting by mysoginists in this thread. Wow. Have you missed the past two years of conversations about rape culture?
Did you miss what happened on November 8th? This disingenuous pearl clutching is creating a backlash. Privately making unflattering, crude, comments about a woman's physical appearance is not "rape culture."
So, do you not see a link between writing and thinking about something and acting? Don't you think that if they say it ( like Donald) than they do it? We all know he did attack women because he told us multiple times and the people who voted for him didn't believe him. But, I do.
+1. The idea that crude talk is equal to rape is ludicrous. It's a huge injustice to people that have actually survived rape to equate the two.
And snowflake, what happened on November 8th is that a rape apologist and her rapey husband got smacked down from the White House.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 18:27
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have none of you ever played on a girls sports team or lived in a sorority house--hell, even a dorm. It isn't just males pulling this crap. It is just males suffering the consequences.
I played soccer and lived in a sorority house. We didn't do any of that stuff.
+1. I have no idea what the pp is talking about. What are you suggesting women do in these settings because I obviously missed the boat?
True, ice hockey college team player here. We had and still have our ranking system for the guy athletes on campus. It goes both ways.
Two different issues have been lumped together. Ranking the attractiveness of the opposite sex may be crude but there's nothing wrong with it, especially if it's private correspondence between friends.
However, these athletes were also found using racist, homophobic, and misogynist slurs. That's an actual problem.
Where was this stored? It's one thing if they are saying and posting it around campus, in a manner that other students can hear. It's a totally different thing if it's private, and just leaked. A school shouldn't be able to control private speech.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 17:22
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Using them and acting on them are two different things. I don't want to live in a society controlled by the thought police--no matter how disgusting I find their speech. This is not the way to eradicate racism, homophobia or misogyny.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have none of you ever played on a girls sports team or lived in a sorority house--hell, even a dorm. It isn't just males pulling this crap. It is just males suffering the consequences.
I played soccer and lived in a sorority house. We didn't do any of that stuff.
+1. I have no idea what the pp is talking about. What are you suggesting women do in these settings because I obviously missed the boat?
True, ice hockey college team player here. We had and still have our ranking system for the guy athletes on campus. It goes both ways.
Two different issues have been lumped together. Ranking the attractiveness of the opposite sex may be crude but there's nothing wrong with it, especially if it's private correspondence between friends.
However, these athletes were also found using racist, homophobic, and misogynist slurs. That's an actual problem.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 15:35
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have none of you ever played on a girls sports team or lived in a sorority house--hell, even a dorm. It isn't just males pulling this crap. It is just males suffering the consequences.
I played soccer and lived in a sorority house. We didn't do any of that stuff.
+1. I have no idea what the pp is talking about. What are you suggesting women do in these settings because I obviously missed the boat?
True, ice hockey college team player here. We had and still have our ranking system for the guy athletes on campus. It goes both ways.
Two different issues have been lumped together. Ranking the attractiveness of the opposite sex may be crude but there's nothing wrong with it, especially if it's private correspondence between friends.
However, these athletes were also found using racist, homophobic, and misogynist slurs. That's an actual problem.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 15:34
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
This.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have none of you ever played on a girls sports team or lived in a sorority house--hell, even a dorm. It isn't just males pulling this crap. It is just males suffering the consequences.
I played soccer and lived in a sorority house. We didn't do any of that stuff.
+1. I have no idea what the pp is talking about. What are you suggesting women do in these settings because I obviously missed the boat?
True, ice hockey college team player here. We had and still have our ranking system for the guy athletes on campus. It goes both ways.
Anonymous
12/18/2016 15:16
Subject: harvard, columbia, now princeton and wustl...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Have none of you ever played on a girls sports team or lived in a sorority house--hell, even a dorm. It isn't just males pulling this crap. It is just males suffering the consequences.
I played soccer and lived in a sorority house. We didn't do any of that stuff.
+1. I have no idea what the pp is talking about. What are you suggesting women do in these settings because I obviously missed the boat?
True, ice hockey college team player here. We had and still have our ranking system for the guy athletes on campus. It goes both ways.