Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 10:18     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The reality is most federal workers are underpaid and work really hard. Many, if not most, could make more money in the private sector, especially the most highly skilled. The government's draw is public service and decent benefits. Sure, you could outsource the work that needs to get done, but the private sector overcharges the government and has less oversight.

Everyone I know who left private industry got a nice pay RAISE. it's true that the ones at the very top could earn more elsewhere, but for those in the mid-range, their compensation is higher.....and with much better benefits. (A friend of mine just got hired - after two years of trying to get in - and told me she had an increase of 15%. I believe she's a GS 14.)


This one. If you are stalled out at Accenture or Booz or CACI at a mid manager level making 80-90k, you can go to government and get a 10%-20% raise for less work.

I'm the PP. Absolutely. And this friend I mentioned, who got the 15% raise, used to have to go to the office five days a week. Now she only has to commute three days a week, using the other two days to work in personal errands, and is earning substantially more.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 10:17     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
The problem is if the R's go after the unions, they will lose the next election. Union members supported Trump and gave him his win.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 10:15     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Republicans are peddling a solution in search of a problem.

The total number of non-military federal workers is at its lowest number since 1966.

What's more, the number of federal govt workers as a percentage of the total work force is at its lowest since WW2.

The number of local govt employees is, however, booming.


http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/11/07/the-federal-government-now-employs-the-fewest-people-since-1966/
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 10:09     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The reality is most federal workers are underpaid and work really hard. Many, if not most, could make more money in the private sector, especially the most highly skilled. The government's draw is public service and decent benefits. Sure, you could outsource the work that needs to get done, but the private sector overcharges the government and has less oversight.

Everyone I know who left private industry got a nice pay RAISE. it's true that the ones at the very top could earn more elsewhere, but for those in the mid-range, their compensation is higher.....and with much better benefits. (A friend of mine just got hired - after two years of trying to get in - and told me she had an increase of 15%. I believe she's a GS 14.)


This one. If you are stalled out at Accenture or Booz or CACI at a mid manager level making 80-90k, you can go to government and get a 10%-20% raise for less work.


Yes, because it's so easy to get hired by the Feds. LOLZ. Previous poster said all the jobs are going the other way - being contracted out by Obama. Nobody seems to know what is going on. So much BS on such a short thread.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 10:08     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"

Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.

Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.

This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.

The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.


PP, why are you posting false information? It take 10 seconds to look up the actual number of non-military federal workers and it was 2.8 million as of 2011 according to OPM. Twice the figure you quoted. I've worked in the executive branch, legislative branch and at a independent federal agency, and every one of those organizations I've worked in could cut 15% of their non-performing workforce tomorrow without any loss of capability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:56     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If what you do makes a difference in a positive, productive way, I doubt you need to worry.


I guess that depends on who's interpreting "positive and productive." The Republican-dominated Congress doesn't score too well on those qualities.

Good. Less of my earnings will get gauged.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:56     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Here is what republicans do when they "cut deadwood"

Fire people at the agency they hate most, usually amounting to small dollars.

Put in some loyalists with know expertise who screw up. Hire contractors to fill the gap.

This will be used as an excuse to expand the military, which is big bucks.

The problem is that the bureaucracy is about 1.5 million jobs nationwide. Many of which are workers you will exclude because they are important to you. . As soon as you do the math, it adds up to symbolic gestures and nothing more.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:54     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:If what you do makes a difference in a positive, productive way, I doubt you need to worry.


Unless the new Admin has a different view of positive and productive. Civil rights? Immigration policy? Climate change?

And isn't anyone here talking about that pesky climate change thing anyway?
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:54     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:If what you do makes a difference in a positive, productive way, I doubt you need to worry.


I guess that depends on who's interpreting "positive and productive." The Republican-dominated Congress doesn't score too well on those qualities.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:52     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The reality is most federal workers are underpaid and work really hard. Many, if not most, could make more money in the private sector, especially the most highly skilled. The government's draw is public service and decent benefits. Sure, you could outsource the work that needs to get done, but the private sector overcharges the government and has less oversight.

Everyone I know who left private industry got a nice pay RAISE. it's true that the ones at the very top could earn more elsewhere, but for those in the mid-range, their compensation is higher.....and with much better benefits. (A friend of mine just got hired - after two years of trying to get in - and told me she had an increase of 15%. I believe she's a GS 14.)


This one. If you are stalled out at Accenture or Booz or CACI at a mid manager level making 80-90k, you can go to government and get a 10%-20% raise for less work.


Right. Because Accenture, Booz and CACI are charging the government $250/hour for an employee who's paid $50/hour and probably has about 4 years of experience.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:48     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
If what you do makes a difference in a positive, productive way, I doubt you need to worry.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:45     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/trump-republicans-plan-to-target-government-workers-benefits-and-job-security/

"President-elect Donald Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are drawing up plans to take on the government bureaucracy they have long railed against, by eroding job protections and grinding down benefits that federal workers have received for a generation. Hiring freezes, an end to automatic raises, a green light to fire poor performers, a ban on union business on the government’s dime and less generous pensions — these are the contours of the blueprint emerging under Republican control of Washington in January. "


Welcome to the world that the private sector has been living in for years now.


The dude wants to scale up the military, create a deportation force, and increase the border patrol. Ya, sounds like a hiring freeze to me.


Ya? Are you, um, like 12?

You hire where the need is, and fire the dead wood. The Feds are used to job security regardless of performance. Those days are gone.


You wish. Nothing will make it out of the Senate. We are cockroaches.


It's true. Cut the federal workforce and the economy in a lot of those red states will tank.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:43     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The reality is most federal workers are underpaid and work really hard. Many, if not most, could make more money in the private sector, especially the most highly skilled. The government's draw is public service and decent benefits. Sure, you could outsource the work that needs to get done, but the private sector overcharges the government and has less oversight.

Everyone I know who left private industry got a nice pay RAISE. it's true that the ones at the very top could earn more elsewhere, but for those in the mid-range, their compensation is higher.....and with much better benefits. (A friend of mine just got hired - after two years of trying to get in - and told me she had an increase of 15%. I believe she's a GS 14.)


This one. If you are stalled out at Accenture or Booz or CACI at a mid manager level making 80-90k, you can go to government and get a 10%-20% raise for less work.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:41     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/21/trump-republicans-plan-to-target-government-workers-benefits-and-job-security/

"President-elect Donald Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress are drawing up plans to take on the government bureaucracy they have long railed against, by eroding job protections and grinding down benefits that federal workers have received for a generation. Hiring freezes, an end to automatic raises, a green light to fire poor performers, a ban on union business on the government’s dime and less generous pensions — these are the contours of the blueprint emerging under Republican control of Washington in January. "


Welcome to the world that the private sector has been living in for years now.


The dude wants to scale up the military, create a deportation force, and increase the border patrol. Ya, sounds like a hiring freeze to me.


Ya? Are you, um, like 12?

You hire where the need is, and fire the dead wood. The Feds are used to job security regardless of performance. Those days are gone.


You wish. Nothing will make it out of the Senate. We are cockroaches.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 09:30     Subject: This is the REAL reason DCUM is in a frenzy
Anonymous wrote:Here we go again. The genius Republicans will outsource government work to private contractors who make nearly twice as much to dong the same job. All in the name of saving money and socking it to those lazy government workers.


Where have you been for the last 20 years? Feds have been shifting to contracting forever, and the last 8 years did NOTHING to revert or even slow down this tendency.

I'm all for firing dead wood.

--a fed