Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 13:57     Subject: Re:To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So bizarre, the NYT staff must have been sitting there with their mouths open. Apparently after yelling at the TV journalists yesterday he talked about how much he loves Obama and has called him twice since they met. So weird.


He sometimes reminds me of my manic brother. I wonder if there's any history of mental illness in the family.


Donald Trump is a classic narcissist. Any women (or man) who unwittingly got caught in a narcissists web and found their way out again (which takes tremendous strength and support) can tell you that. Anyone who grew up with a narcissistic father or mother and managed to survive and become their own independent person with healthy boundaries can tell you that. If the press and others who claim to care about our country really want to understand Trump--read up on narcissists and how they work.

Some traits that are classic--they never really answer questions, ghost light you, deny things that you know happened because you saw it with your own eyes, deflect, say whatever they need to say to win you over or win the argument at the time, go through cycles of anger/tough talk/rage followed by nice guy and apologies, etc. Donald Trump is a master manipulator and knows how to read a room. He knows people react emotionally, will take the bait, and then focus on what he wants them focusing on instead of what they want to focus on. Settle a fraud lawsuit for Trump University that you swore you would never settle? Make sure you make a big deal about nothing so people start focusing on the Hamilton cast asking an elected official to remember them. Point out how "unfair" SNL is when they do what they have always done to every elected official and every prior president. Play the victim and people will be distracted from your victimizing.

The press should be studying up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, reading books on how to deal with it, and talking to people who survived dealing with them. I educated myself to get away from one and learned in the process that the worst thing I did was to assume that the Narc in my life and that of my family behaved like the rest of us. He was like a different species. It is like expecting a dog to behave like a cat or a tiger to behave like your small domesticated house cat. They do not play by the same rules and expecting them to do so can get you hurt or killed.

I saw this coming as did some others. Everyone who saw this coming had experience with Trump's type of personality. Educate yourself to how he thinks or he is going to keep winning and people are going to keep saying things like "this is so strange." It is only strange if you think Trump thinks and behaves like you do (provided you are not a narcissist). If you know what he is his behavior does not seem strange at all. It seems text book.


PP, thank you for this and I'm so sorry you had to live with this. As a child of a narc parent, I had to fight not to get pulled into this drama.

They press really needs to do their homework. I hope someone read your post. I've bolded the best part.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 13:44     Subject: To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:OP has to be trolling. Trump has just taken the country by storm and is now just getting started on the world. The country that Obama has left in tatters is poised to rise again.


???
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 13:43     Subject: Re:To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So bizarre, the NYT staff must have been sitting there with their mouths open. Apparently after yelling at the TV journalists yesterday he talked about how much he loves Obama and has called him twice since they met. So weird.


He sometimes reminds me of my manic brother. I wonder if there's any history of mental illness in the family.


Donald Trump is a classic narcissist. Any women (or man) who unwittingly got caught in a narcissists web and found their way out again (which takes tremendous strength and support) can tell you that. Anyone who grew up with a narcissistic father or mother and managed to survive and become their own independent person with healthy boundaries can tell you that. If the press and others who claim to care about our country really want to understand Trump--read up on narcissists and how they work.

Some traits that are classic--they never really answer questions, ghost light you, deny things that you know happened because you saw it with your own eyes, deflect, say whatever they need to say to win you over or win the argument at the time, go through cycles of anger/tough talk/rage followed by nice guy and apologies, etc. Donald Trump is a master manipulator and knows how to read a room. He knows people react emotionally, will take the bait, and then focus on what he wants them focusing on instead of what they want to focus on. Settle a fraud lawsuit for Trump University that you swore you would never settle? Make sure you make a big deal about nothing so people start focusing on the Hamilton cast asking an elected official to remember them. Point out how "unfair" SNL is when they do what they have always done to every elected official and every prior president. Play the victim and people will be distracted from your victimizing.

The press should be studying up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, reading books on how to deal with it, and talking to people who survived dealing with them. I educated myself to get away from one and learned in the process that the worst thing I did was to assume that the Narc in my life and that of my family behaved like the rest of us. He was like a different species. It is like expecting a dog to behave like a cat or a tiger to behave like your small domesticated house cat. They do not play by the same rules and expecting them to do so can get you hurt or killed.

I saw this coming as did some others. Everyone who saw this coming had experience with Trump's type of personality. Educate yourself to how he thinks or he is going to keep winning and people are going to keep saying things like "this is so strange." It is only strange if you think Trump thinks and behaves like you do (provided you are not a narcissist). If you know what he is his behavior does not seem strange at all. It seems text book.


Oh, and to answer the question does anyone care about Trump, well, yes, yes I do. I pray that a miracle will happen and he will be healed of his narcissism. I also hope and pray that America will wake up to who and what he is and use it to encourage him to govern in an appropriate way.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2016 13:40     Subject: Re:To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So bizarre, the NYT staff must have been sitting there with their mouths open. Apparently after yelling at the TV journalists yesterday he talked about how much he loves Obama and has called him twice since they met. So weird.


He sometimes reminds me of my manic brother. I wonder if there's any history of mental illness in the family.


Donald Trump is a classic narcissist. Any women (or man) who unwittingly got caught in a narcissists web and found their way out again (which takes tremendous strength and support) can tell you that. Anyone who grew up with a narcissistic father or mother and managed to survive and become their own independent person with healthy boundaries can tell you that. If the press and others who claim to care about our country really want to understand Trump--read up on narcissists and how they work.

Some traits that are classic--they never really answer questions, ghost light you, deny things that you know happened because you saw it with your own eyes, deflect, say whatever they need to say to win you over or win the argument at the time, go through cycles of anger/tough talk/rage followed by nice guy and apologies, etc. Donald Trump is a master manipulator and knows how to read a room. He knows people react emotionally, will take the bait, and then focus on what he wants them focusing on instead of what they want to focus on. Settle a fraud lawsuit for Trump University that you swore you would never settle? Make sure you make a big deal about nothing so people start focusing on the Hamilton cast asking an elected official to remember them. Point out how "unfair" SNL is when they do what they have always done to every elected official and every prior president. Play the victim and people will be distracted from your victimizing.

The press should be studying up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder, reading books on how to deal with it, and talking to people who survived dealing with them. I educated myself to get away from one and learned in the process that the worst thing I did was to assume that the Narc in my life and that of my family behaved like the rest of us. He was like a different species. It is like expecting a dog to behave like a cat or a tiger to behave like your small domesticated house cat. They do not play by the same rules and expecting them to do so can get you hurt or killed.

I saw this coming as did some others. Everyone who saw this coming had experience with Trump's type of personality. Educate yourself to how he thinks or he is going to keep winning and people are going to keep saying things like "this is so strange." It is only strange if you think Trump thinks and behaves like you do (provided you are not a narcissist). If you know what he is his behavior does not seem strange at all. It seems text book.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2016 22:58     Subject: To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Three pages later, still waiting for someone to raise their hand and say that they genuinely care about Trump as a human being. Anyone? Yep. Crickets.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2016 20:48     Subject: Re:To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:This is why I'm okay with Hillary losing. Being President is stressful.


There's an argument to be made that the country was so polarized, anyone who won would be walking into a shitstorm. There is nowhere to go but into the brightly lit fishbowl.

I mean, I still wouldn't have chosen this outcome, but I have to admit it is entertaining. Channeling Molly Ivins over here. Damn, I miss her.

The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2016 20:37     Subject: To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

I admit I poo-pood the people who were calling Trump crazy during the election, but he is sounding more disorganized than ever when he should be enjoying the win.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2016 19:46     Subject: To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:70 is about the age when you really start to see a deline in some people, especially men.


Particularly men whose fathers were diagnosed with Alzheimer's in their late 60s.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2016 16:29     Subject: Re:To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:This is why I'm okay with Hillary losing. Being President is stressful.


I hope girlfriend has a relaxing and wonderful 4 years. She's rich and she's earned the right to sit around and relax and laugh at this buffoon.
Anonymous
Post 11/22/2016 16:20     Subject: To anyone who genuinely cares about Donald Trump the human being . . .

Anonymous wrote:I think you're just witnessing garden variety arrogance mixed with minor levels of intelligence. You're seeing flashes of fear, not disintegration.


I think he is beginning to realize we expect things from him. He is used to delegating, which he can't do so much anymore.