Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 16:29     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:This is vaguely reminding me of how the Bush administration sent junior inexperienced operatives from the Republican Party to construct democracy in Iraq. We saw how well that worked out.


Remember when a 29 year-old was placed in charge of setting up the Iraqi central bank and stock market? Yeah, that collapsed pretty quickly. Good times, good times.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 16:29     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:Yes, and former Republican Mike Rogers, an expert in national security, is leaving the transition team too, purged by anti-Christie forces.

Expect more stuff like this in the coming weeks. It's amateur hour.


No it's not. But good use of a catchphrase.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 16:07     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
This is vaguely reminding me of how the Bush administration sent junior inexperienced operatives from the Republican Party to construct democracy in Iraq. We saw how well that worked out.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 16:03     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.


This.

One of the greatest satisfactions in this election is seeing the thorough defeat of the neocons.


trump had bigger balls than every dem in the last 16 years combined on this issue of constant foreign action. even kucinich and bernie didn't go into the vipers den (sc surrounded by R's) and pretty much say to the bushes "blow me"
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 16:01     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.


trump went further than any R Potus does in a long time and said RvW is on deathwatch.

A sentence after saying gay marriage is settled.

he's unhinged and doesn't know a damn thing he's saying.

Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:59     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even idiotic Ben Carson has jumped off the Trump Train.


He has been saying he wanted to work on “the outside” for a while. This is nothing new.
I think this is all a bunch of overblown drama.
Any transition is going to suffer bumps in the road. People aren’t going to get what they want.
It is what it is.
What matters to me is who they put in place in the end and how these folks work together and with Congress.


Agree, and I think it's problematic that people say and read these types of things and convince themselves that these are facts.


You don't know Cohen. He NEVER airs dirty laundry like this. The guy is insanely well connected to the US intelligency community, military apparatus, and Israel lobby. He is sphinx-like.

Just last week he told young civil servants to remain in the administration for the good of the country. He completely reversed course today.
Read here: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/11/10/to-an-anxious-friend/


umm you say this like it is a good think.

haven't walt and mearsheimer taught you anything?
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:58     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
How terrifying that rumors on an anonymous mommy blog site suggest outcomes that suit our pre-conceived ideas!

ZOMG!! It's Armageddon!!
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:45     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:From the article:

His friend’s email conveyed the feeling that ‘we’re so glad to see the bicoastal elites get theirs,’” added Cohen, who described the response as “unhinged.’’


You see this from the Trumpsters posting here. It's not about governing or whatever else, it's about sticking it to the "elites" they feel have been laughing at them for so long. These people would cut off their own limbs if they thought it would upset liberals - they are all about confrontation, in favor of whatever dems are against no matter how reasonable it might be. Any possible compromise is unacceptable.

The depths of this crazy is just astounding. What a clusterfuck.


Yeah, great... stick it to the elites. You know what this is like? It's like watching a kid burn down his parents' house for fun, and then learn that the house was his whole inheritance. Good luck.

All this hatred for "the elites" -- you mean the men and women who do thankless bureaucratic jobs so our country can function? I love the look on Trump's face when he's sitting down next to Obama in the White House. Guy is sh*tting his pants because he never expected America to call his bluff. This is a real job, with real responsibilities. You shoot off on Twitter and the South Korean market is going to crash. We're all trying to work hard and build something, and here's a bunch of people who know how to tear things down.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:41     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Even idiotic Ben Carson has jumped off the Trump Train.


He has been saying he wanted to work on “the outside” for a while. This is nothing new.
I think this is all a bunch of overblown drama.
Any transition is going to suffer bumps in the road. People aren’t going to get what they want.
It is what it is.
What matters to me is who they put in place in the end and how these folks work together and with Congress.


Including the fact that Trump's team was surprised to learn that Obama's staff wouldn't be staying in the White House with them?

Umm... you'd think running for an office would entail knowing what it means. This is beyond "bumps in the road," this is people who are flat out inexperienced and incompetent.

I hope America wakes up and realizes they got sold a bill of goods. I mean, I'd rather have a real mechanic fix my car even if it's going to cost a lot than hand it to the kid down the street who's never even seen a car up close but has some "fresh ideas" about how to make it really go. At the end of the day, I'm the one who has to get it in it and drive.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:33     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:From the article:

His friend’s email conveyed the feeling that ‘we’re so glad to see the bicoastal elites get theirs,’” added Cohen, who described the response as “unhinged.’’


You see this from the Trumpsters posting here. It's not about governing or whatever else, it's about sticking it to the "elites" they feel have been laughing at them for so long. These people would cut off their own limbs if they thought it would upset liberals - they are all about confrontation, in favor of whatever dems are against no matter how reasonable it might be. Any possible compromise is unacceptable.

The depths of this crazy is just astounding. What a clusterfuck.


They are so insecure and personally unhappy. The White House needs an army of therapists to deal with all the repressed issues being played out by the new Administration. What.The.Ever.Loving.F#ck.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:31     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
From the article:

His friend’s email conveyed the feeling that ‘we’re so glad to see the bicoastal elites get theirs,’” added Cohen, who described the response as “unhinged.’’


You see this from the Trumpsters posting here. It's not about governing or whatever else, it's about sticking it to the "elites" they feel have been laughing at them for so long. These people would cut off their own limbs if they thought it would upset liberals - they are all about confrontation, in favor of whatever dems are against no matter how reasonable it might be. Any possible compromise is unacceptable.

The depths of this crazy is just astounding. What a clusterfuck.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:14     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.


This.

One of the greatest satisfactions in this election is seeing the thorough defeat of the neocons.
,

Yep. Drain the swamp

When Trump hired the wall st. insider from Goldman Sachs as Treasury secretary, it was "oh, he's hiring people who have experience". When people who have experience in the intelligence community are abandoning Trump you say, "yea, drain the swamp".

What logic.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 15:00     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is scary that with a potential void in the national security apparatus, it leaves more unchecked power in the Oval Office.


Agreed. My contact(s) in the intelligence community are telling me that the Agency and DoD are expecting a waive of resignations. With the respectable experienced voices - like Rogers - getting purged, they won't follow the orders of wingnuts.


Yeah I've heard this too. Can't blame them.
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 14:53     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.


Trump has halfbaked ideas at best. Who's going to implement them and how?
Anonymous
Post 11/15/2016 14:51     Subject: Eliot Cohen: "Stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are 2 republican parties. One(call them inside Washington types) want the same old same old- keep kicking Russia, gunboat diplomacy, tax cuts for the rich, less regulations, more free trade, destroy the unions, kill Dodd Frank, culture wars, etc. The other is Trump. He has talked about treating carried interest/cap gains as income, culture wars are over, move away from Cold War thinking, etc. Where these two align, things will get done. Where they don't who knows what will happen. After this election, I would put my money on the Trump side.


This.

One of the greatest satisfactions in this election is seeing the thorough defeat of the neocons.[/quotes]

So why is John Bolton's name being bandied around?


That was a head fake. Rudy has ruled himself out for the AG position. He will get the SOS position.