Anonymous
11/14/2016 14:54
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree it is ideal to get a shelter dog. However. I also find it very obnoxious when people always announce their dog is a rescue.
Although it may be perceived as obnoxious, announcing that you have a shelter dog is a way of avoiding judgment. The announcer ensures that the judgmental people know they haven't supported a breeder.
Whose ignorance is being discussed on this thread. Purchasing from a person who breeds out genetic disorders is of paramount importance to the future of all dogs. People who judge others for this are ignorant and short-sighted. We need to wiped out puppy mills and breeders masquerading as puppy mills, and that means supporting all ethical breeders who are pioneering genetic testing. Saving existing dogs is well and good, but only addresses a small portion of the problem, and not the most important part.
I agree with this. Service dog programs rely heavily on ethical breeders so that they can provide healthy dogs to people who need a service dog. Different sized dogs or differently traited dogs are needed for different services/jobs as well. If no pure bred dogs were maintained, then the predictability for service or working dogs would disappear as well. Service agencies often get donated stud services from breeders, which helps with the genetic diversity. Now, it seems like certain breeds have so many issues, that perhaps it is unethical to continue, but it's hard to say across the board that this is a problem with all dogs and breeders.
Anonymous
11/14/2016 09:10
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree it is ideal to get a shelter dog. However. I also find it very obnoxious when people always announce their dog is a rescue.
Although it may be perceived as obnoxious, announcing that you have a shelter dog is a way of avoiding judgment. The announcer ensures that the judgmental people know they haven't supported a breeder.
Whose ignorance is being discussed on this thread. Purchasing from a person who breeds out genetic disorders is of paramount importance to the future of all dogs. People who judge others for this are ignorant and short-sighted. We need to wiped out puppy mills and breeders masquerading as puppy mills, and that means supporting all ethical breeders who are pioneering genetic testing. Saving existing dogs is well and good, but only addresses a small portion of the problem, and not the most important part.
Anonymous
11/14/2016 09:05
Subject: "rescue" dog
We say "she's a rescue dog" when people ask where we got her from. Or what breed she is. That one cracks me up, because she is nothing but purebred mutt. So, I have to explain that my best guess is a little collie, a little shepherd, who knows, she's a rescue dog? She is definitely not a retriever, she will watch you throw a ball and then watch you fetch it for yourself in some sort of solo pickle game, and not lift a paw to run after it herself
What she is is smart and sweet and goofy and great with kids and not territorial and highly trainable. A breeder will get you the look of the dog and what the dog's behavior "should" be like based on the breed's disposition. But you still have to temperment test them individually if that's important to you
Breeders perpetuate and preserve the genetic lineage, they play an important part in the big doggie ancestry tree. You just have to decide whether you want to support that or not
What she is is smart and sweet and goofy and great with kids and not territorial and highly trainable. A breeder will get you the look of the dog and what the dog's behavior "should" be like based on the breed's disposition. But you still have to temperment test them individually if that's important to you
Breeders perpetuate and preserve the genetic lineage, they play an important part in the big doggie ancestry tree. You just have to decide whether you want to support that or not
Anonymous
11/14/2016 08:52
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:I agree it is ideal to get a shelter dog. However. I also find it very obnoxious when people always announce their dog is a rescue.
Although it may be perceived as obnoxious, announcing that you have a shelter dog is a way of avoiding judgment. The announcer ensures that the judgmental people know they haven't supported a breeder.
Anonymous
11/14/2016 08:26
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.
+1
For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.
It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.
Not really. I myself volunteer at shelters but got my own dog from a breeder. The fact that a person previously failed the rescue
Dog somehow does not lie on my shoulders.
It lies on all our shoulders. The way we treat animals says a lot about us as human beings. Buying dogs from a breeder while another dog dies in a shelter is just wrong. Ignorance is not an excuse.
People like you make me want to go buy my next dog from a responsible breeder. I have a rescue dog, and I am sure I will continue to have rescue dogs in my life, but this attitude is ridiculous. One of the reasons I don't like calling my dog a rescue dog is because I don't want to get grouped with the blindly smug rescue people.
Out of curiosity, what kind of breeders do you think you're supporting and encouraging with your actions? Do you ever take a minute to wonder exactly why there are, for instance, puppies available via rescues? You think maybe they are born magically? Why do you think, exactly, that you're acting in an ethical manner? I don't kid myself about where my rescue dog came from. I have given a home, via an intermediary, to the result of crappy breeding, in effect rewarding a bad breeder by taking unwanted puppies. My dog is wonderful, but when I think about what was the most ethical thing to do, I don't think that I acted more ethically than somebody who took the time to find a responsible breeder, and maybe I even acted less ethically. It's not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be, and you are putting your own desire to feel like a good person ahead of the health of animals when you act like it is a black and white issue.
Exactly.
Anonymous
11/14/2016 08:14
Subject: Re:"rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Yes. As you can see it is a badge of honor for many.
I will not buy a rescue because it is a huge cost to my family and to us it is too much of a chance to just get one from rescue an hope for the best.
Most dog attacks are rescued animals.
I foster dogs for adoption because I think it is important to ensure they are trained before they go to some unsuspecting family.
A rescue in our neighborhood killed two pets.
Statistics?
Anonymous
11/14/2016 08:00
Subject: Re:"rescue" dog
Yes. As you can see it is a badge of honor for many.
I will not buy a rescue because it is a huge cost to my family and to us it is too much of a chance to just get one from rescue an hope for the best.
Most dog attacks are rescued animals.
I foster dogs for adoption because I think it is important to ensure they are trained before they go to some unsuspecting family.
A rescue in our neighborhood killed two pets.
I will not buy a rescue because it is a huge cost to my family and to us it is too much of a chance to just get one from rescue an hope for the best.
Most dog attacks are rescued animals.
I foster dogs for adoption because I think it is important to ensure they are trained before they go to some unsuspecting family.
A rescue in our neighborhood killed two pets.
Anonymous
11/14/2016 07:42
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Decades ago people didn't get dogs fixed as much as today. We had several that were accidents and were great. Today who doesn't get their dog fixed?
We have a large lab -95-100 pounds and NOT fat. Why would I have such a large dog if I was not confident on behavior, reactivity etc? Far safer to go to a good breeder.
People in the South, that's who. Which is why all these rescue dogs are transported from south to north for adoption.
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/01/374257591/with-rescue-dogs-in-demand-more-shelters-look-far-afield-for-fido
Anonymous
11/14/2016 07:32
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.
+1
For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.
It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.
Not really. I myself volunteer at shelters but got my own dog from a breeder. The fact that a person previously failed the rescue
Dog somehow does not lie on my shoulders.
OMG. Talk about a sense of entitlement and you are a piece.of.work.
Anonymous
11/14/2016 06:28
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.
+1
For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.
It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.
Not really. I myself volunteer at shelters but got my own dog from a breeder. The fact that a person previously failed the rescue
Dog somehow does not lie on my shoulders.
It lies on all our shoulders. The way we treat animals says a lot about us as human beings. Buying dogs from a breeder while another dog dies in a shelter is just wrong. Ignorance is not an excuse.
People like you make me want to go buy my next dog from a responsible breeder. I have a rescue dog, and I am sure I will continue to have rescue dogs in my life, but this attitude is ridiculous. One of the reasons I don't like calling my dog a rescue dog is because I don't want to get grouped with the blindly smug rescue people.
Out of curiosity, what kind of breeders do you think you're supporting and encouraging with your actions? Do you ever take a minute to wonder exactly why there are, for instance, puppies available via rescues? You think maybe they are born magically? Why do you think, exactly, that you're acting in an ethical manner? I don't kid myself about where my rescue dog came from. I have given a home, via an intermediary, to the result of crappy breeding, in effect rewarding a bad breeder by taking unwanted puppies. My dog is wonderful, but when I think about what was the most ethical thing to do, I don't think that I acted more ethically than somebody who took the time to find a responsible breeder, and maybe I even acted less ethically. It's not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be, and you are putting your own desire to feel like a good person ahead of the health of animals when you act like it is a black and white issue.
New poster: I'm lost. By adopting a dog from a shelter, I'm supporting breeders...how? Because puppies are available from rescue organizations?? Because you took in an unwanted breeder puppy you supported anti-breeder efforts??? How is that?
Anonymous
11/13/2016 20:27
Subject: "rescue" dog
Decades ago people didn't get dogs fixed as much as today. We had several that were accidents and were great. Today who doesn't get their dog fixed?
We have a large lab -95-100 pounds and NOT fat. Why would I have such a large dog if I was not confident on behavior, reactivity etc? Far safer to go to a good breeder.
We have a large lab -95-100 pounds and NOT fat. Why would I have such a large dog if I was not confident on behavior, reactivity etc? Far safer to go to a good breeder.
Anonymous
11/13/2016 18:49
Subject: "rescue" dog
Our dog was from a surprise litter from an irresponsible friend of the family. So while she's not from a breeder, she's not from an organization or shelter either.
Anonymous
11/13/2016 17:34
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.
+1
For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.
It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.
Not really. I myself volunteer at shelters but got my own dog from a breeder. The fact that a person previously failed the rescue
Dog somehow does not lie on my shoulders.
It lies on all our shoulders. The way we treat animals says a lot about us as human beings. Buying dogs from a breeder while another dog dies in a shelter is just wrong. Ignorance is not an excuse.
People like you make me want to go buy my next dog from a responsible breeder. I have a rescue dog, and I am sure I will continue to have rescue dogs in my life, but this attitude is ridiculous. One of the reasons I don't like calling my dog a rescue dog is because I don't want to get grouped with the blindly smug rescue people.
Out of curiosity, what kind of breeders do you think you're supporting and encouraging with your actions? Do you ever take a minute to wonder exactly why there are, for instance, puppies available via rescues? You think maybe they are born magically? Why do you think, exactly, that you're acting in an ethical manner? I don't kid myself about where my rescue dog came from. I have given a home, via an intermediary, to the result of crappy breeding, in effect rewarding a bad breeder by taking unwanted puppies. My dog is wonderful, but when I think about what was the most ethical thing to do, I don't think that I acted more ethically than somebody who took the time to find a responsible breeder, and maybe I even acted less ethically. It's not nearly as black and white as you make it out to be, and you are putting your own desire to feel like a good person ahead of the health of animals when you act like it is a black and white issue.
Anonymous
11/13/2016 16:12
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:The way we treat animals says a lot about us as human beings.
Does it really? There are so many people who pamper their dogs but have little respect for other people.
Anonymous
11/13/2016 16:08
Subject: "rescue" dog
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have a purebred dog who was, in fact, a shelter dog. I don't announce she's a rescue but I don't believe in breeding to increase the dog population when so many animals are homeless. Sorry.
+1
For every dog purchased from a breeder, a rescue dog who needs a home dies.
It is unethical to purchase dogs from breeders. IMO. I think less of people who do it.
Not really. I myself volunteer at shelters but got my own dog from a breeder. The fact that a person previously failed the rescue
Dog somehow does not lie on my shoulders.
It lies on all our shoulders. The way we treat animals says a lot about us as human beings. Buying dogs from a breeder while another dog dies in a shelter is just wrong. Ignorance is not an excuse.
"I've got mine" is not an excuse, either.