Anonymous
Post 10/19/2016 11:48     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
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Anonymous wrote:Kids are growing taller today than in the past, partly because of better prenatal care and generally better nutrition and health. A lot of parents in their late thirties, forties, early fifties never reached their genetic potential for height because their moms were told by their obs to severely limit what they ate during pregnancy so as not to gain weight. I know people whose moms only gained 15 or 16 pounds during pregnancy and then gave birth to very small babies.

People know more about nutrition today and their overall health is better because of vaccinations and antibiotics. When your body isn't fighting off infections and childhood illnesses and you're receiving high quality nutrition on a regular basis, your body can put more of its energy toward growth and reaching your potential.




I must argue that nutrition was much better before 50s in the United States, while less caloric. Vaccination ok, but I can see your point of antibiotics. Even chicken with "no antibiotics" actually does contain antibiotics, hence we are getting antibiotics every day if we eat any kind of meat.


I actually meant that we have antibiotics available to cure illnesses that would have lasted longer and possibly turned into something more serious before we had antibiotics. For instance, when kids get strep throat today, we give them an antibiotic and they're feeling better within 24-48 hours. Years ago, a child was sick with strep throat for a much longer time and it could turn into rheumatic fever, so a child could be sick for months and months. If a child is sick more frequently, the body's energy is used to fight the illness instead of growing taller during that time.

Prenatal care makes a huge difference to a child's growth. Mothers in the 50s, 60s, and 70s were afraid of gaining weight, so many of us who are adults now probably never reached our growth potential because we started out smaller than we should have been. Our kids are benefitting from healthy pregnancies, so are reaching their potential height, even when their parents are shorter. And, of course, genetics are a funny thing and can skip generations, so there is that aspect also.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2016 11:39     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
I wish! My teenage sons are super short.. 5'0" and 5'2" thus far. Are there approved growth hormones?
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2016 11:33     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
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Anonymous wrote:So, am I crazy or are the kids in high school taking growth hormones just to be taller for sports? I am not kidding. There are two girls I know who after the age of 15 just shot up in height and they are in a sport where height is important.Not an inch or two, almost a foot! Both looked completely done growing and one was pretty tall as it was. Parents are not tall and she is now hitting 6ft. The other also seemed done growing but is now growing in height and in muscle, but not just regular exercising, like body building huge for a teen girl. The boy is very skinny and way taller than his parents and there are other kids here in this sport who are somehow growing past genetic potential, by a foot or more than their same gender sibling. I can see few inches, but foot taller than Dad's height and in a sport where height is needed? Am I nuts or are parents that crazy these days to give growth hormone just for sports purposes? Yes, I am a busy body and curious if we as a society are that insane.


How do you know that they used growth hormone?



I clearly state that I don't know 100% but that I am suspecting it. Or that I might be nuts. Haven't been nuts about much so far. A girl with both parents under 5'5" hitting 6 feet after 15,16 years old? A Dad handing out 5 pills to his son before the game? Could be just vitamins, I guess. Kid at 15 with a full man beard, like any grown man would envy? When most 18 year olds can barely grow fuzz? As I said, I might be nuts, but I am talking kids looking at enormous college scholarships and rich parents.


I don't believe you. I don't believe that a dad is handing his kid steroids AT THE GAME, and I don't believe this kid is a foot taller than her dad. I just don't.


Also, as a (tall) mom whose daughter is headed for 6 feet, it bugs me to know that admitted busybodies are out there speculating on her possible drug use. It is just so much more likely that these kids are naturally tall, and that the boys are bulking up by eating and lifting.


I don't know why you would think anybody is speculating about your DD when you are a tall mom? I am not speculating about any kids who have tall parents, or tall family members. I am asking others if they heard of short kids growing tall and muscular out of the blue after 15 years of age when it is really not common especially for girls. For boys, ok, they can grow and now I have heard about this milk drinking that might explain what I am seeing.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2016 11:29     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
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Anonymous wrote:So, am I crazy or are the kids in high school taking growth hormones just to be taller for sports? I am not kidding. There are two girls I know who after the age of 15 just shot up in height and they are in a sport where height is important.Not an inch or two, almost a foot! Both looked completely done growing and one was pretty tall as it was. Parents are not tall and she is now hitting 6ft. The other also seemed done growing but is now growing in height and in muscle, but not just regular exercising, like body building huge for a teen girl. The boy is very skinny and way taller than his parents and there are other kids here in this sport who are somehow growing past genetic potential, by a foot or more than their same gender sibling. I can see few inches, but foot taller than Dad's height and in a sport where height is needed? Am I nuts or are parents that crazy these days to give growth hormone just for sports purposes? Yes, I am a busy body and curious if we as a society are that insane.


How do you know that they used growth hormone?



I clearly state that I don't know 100% but that I am suspecting it. Or that I might be nuts. Haven't been nuts about much so far. A girl with both parents under 5'5" hitting 6 feet after 15,16 years old? A Dad handing out 5 pills to his son before the game? Could be just vitamins, I guess. Kid at 15 with a full man beard, like any grown man would envy? When most 18 year olds can barely grow fuzz? As I said, I might be nuts, but I am talking kids looking at enormous college scholarships and rich parents.


With the crazy competitiveness of some parents these days, yeah I can see how an occasional parent might resort to getting steroids (or whatever) for their kids. But you seem to be seeing A LOT of this sort of thing and that makes me wonder if maybe your own son is a little on the too skinny side. That doesn't mean that you or your son are doing anything "wrong" but it could mean that some dietary changes are warranted and maybe he should be checked for diabetes just to be on the very safe side. He is likely fine and his body type is perfectly normal for him.

As far as the beard thing goes, I remember seeing that back when I was a teenager. Some boys, especially those with darker hair, tend to get more facial hair earlier.


Yes, my DS is skinny. Too skinny and maybe I feel like it is my fault. DH is also really skinny, maybe it is the coaches telling me he needs to gain muscle and weight and as much as he tries and I try nothing happens. It is maybe making me imagine things. I think he is done growing, but to pp who said lack of beard is an indication, is it really? He shaves maybe once a week, has some upper lip hair and very little side burn hair, and he is dark haired, white kid. But apart from that, I don't think I am imagining it about two kids, a girl and a boy, I don't know if they are doing this GOMAD thing, but they are doing something and it is not just exercising and lifting.
Anonymous
Post 10/18/2016 14:48     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, am I crazy or are the kids in high school taking growth hormones just to be taller for sports? I am not kidding. There are two girls I know who after the age of 15 just shot up in height and they are in a sport where height is important.Not an inch or two, almost a foot! Both looked completely done growing and one was pretty tall as it was. Parents are not tall and she is now hitting 6ft. The other also seemed done growing but is now growing in height and in muscle, but not just regular exercising, like body building huge for a teen girl. The boy is very skinny and way taller than his parents and there are other kids here in this sport who are somehow growing past genetic potential, by a foot or more than their same gender sibling. I can see few inches, but foot taller than Dad's height and in a sport where height is needed? Am I nuts or are parents that crazy these days to give growth hormone just for sports purposes? Yes, I am a busy body and curious if we as a society are that insane.


How do you know that they used growth hormone?



I clearly state that I don't know 100% but that I am suspecting it. Or that I might be nuts. Haven't been nuts about much so far. A girl with both parents under 5'5" hitting 6 feet after 15,16 years old? A Dad handing out 5 pills to his son before the game? Could be just vitamins, I guess. Kid at 15 with a full man beard, like any grown man would envy? When most 18 year olds can barely grow fuzz? As I said, I might be nuts, but I am talking kids looking at enormous college scholarships and rich parents.


I don't believe you. I don't believe that a dad is handing his kid steroids AT THE GAME, and I don't believe this kid is a foot taller than her dad. I just don't.


Also, as a (tall) mom whose daughter is headed for 6 feet, it bugs me to know that admitted busybodies are out there speculating on her possible drug use. It is just so much more likely that these kids are naturally tall, and that the boys are bulking up by eating and lifting.
Anonymous
Post 10/18/2016 14:46     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, am I crazy or are the kids in high school taking growth hormones just to be taller for sports? I am not kidding. There are two girls I know who after the age of 15 just shot up in height and they are in a sport where height is important.Not an inch or two, almost a foot! Both looked completely done growing and one was pretty tall as it was. Parents are not tall and she is now hitting 6ft. The other also seemed done growing but is now growing in height and in muscle, but not just regular exercising, like body building huge for a teen girl. The boy is very skinny and way taller than his parents and there are other kids here in this sport who are somehow growing past genetic potential, by a foot or more than their same gender sibling. I can see few inches, but foot taller than Dad's height and in a sport where height is needed? Am I nuts or are parents that crazy these days to give growth hormone just for sports purposes? Yes, I am a busy body and curious if we as a society are that insane.


How do you know that they used growth hormone?



I clearly state that I don't know 100% but that I am suspecting it. Or that I might be nuts. Haven't been nuts about much so far. A girl with both parents under 5'5" hitting 6 feet after 15,16 years old? A Dad handing out 5 pills to his son before the game? Could be just vitamins, I guess. Kid at 15 with a full man beard, like any grown man would envy? When most 18 year olds can barely grow fuzz? As I said, I might be nuts, but I am talking kids looking at enormous college scholarships and rich parents.


I don't believe you. I don't believe that a dad is handing his kid steroids AT THE GAME, and I don't believe this kid is a foot taller than her dad. I just don't.
Anonymous
Post 10/18/2016 07:36     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, am I crazy or are the kids in high school taking growth hormones just to be taller for sports? I am not kidding. There are two girls I know who after the age of 15 just shot up in height and they are in a sport where height is important.Not an inch or two, almost a foot! Both looked completely done growing and one was pretty tall as it was. Parents are not tall and she is now hitting 6ft. The other also seemed done growing but is now growing in height and in muscle, but not just regular exercising, like body building huge for a teen girl. The boy is very skinny and way taller than his parents and there are other kids here in this sport who are somehow growing past genetic potential, by a foot or more than their same gender sibling. I can see few inches, but foot taller than Dad's height and in a sport where height is needed? Am I nuts or are parents that crazy these days to give growth hormone just for sports purposes? Yes, I am a busy body and curious if we as a society are that insane.


How do you know that they used growth hormone?



I clearly state that I don't know 100% but that I am suspecting it. Or that I might be nuts. Haven't been nuts about much so far. A girl with both parents under 5'5" hitting 6 feet after 15,16 years old? A Dad handing out 5 pills to his son before the game? Could be just vitamins, I guess. Kid at 15 with a full man beard, like any grown man would envy? When most 18 year olds can barely grow fuzz? As I said, I might be nuts, but I am talking kids looking at enormous college scholarships and rich parents.


With the crazy competitiveness of some parents these days, yeah I can see how an occasional parent might resort to getting steroids (or whatever) for their kids. But you seem to be seeing A LOT of this sort of thing and that makes me wonder if maybe your own son is a little on the too skinny side. That doesn't mean that you or your son are doing anything "wrong" but it could mean that some dietary changes are warranted and maybe he should be checked for diabetes just to be on the very safe side. He is likely fine and his body type is perfectly normal for him.

As far as the beard thing goes, I remember seeing that back when I was a teenager. Some boys, especially those with darker hair, tend to get more facial hair earlier.
Anonymous
Post 10/18/2016 06:58     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
Anonymous wrote:My cousin is 6'1". His dad is 5'6". His mom and sister are 5'3" and 5'1". No steroids. If you go back a generation, there's an outlier in the family here and there. It happens.


Love outliers! My brother reached his full adult height of 6'3" at age 19. Our mom is a tiny 5'4" and our Dad 5'9".

DH is the shortest male in his family - Dad's 6'2", brother 6'4" and two uncles about 6'5"....DH a measly 6 even.
Anonymous
Post 10/18/2016 06:51     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?



I clearly state that I don't know 100% but that I am suspecting it. Or that I might be nuts. Haven't been nuts about much so far. A girl with both parents under 5'5" hitting 6 feet after 15,16 years old? A Dad handing out 5 pills to his son before the game? Could be just vitamins, I guess. Kid at 15 with a full man beard, like any grown man would envy? When most 18 year olds can barely grow fuzz? As I said, I might be nuts, but I am talking kids looking at enormous college scholarships and rich parents.


Maybe she was adopted. Maybe she was conceived using a donor egg. Maybe she is being raised by these 5'5" family members because her biological parents couldn't raise her. Maybe she has really tall family members in her family but it isn't her parents. Maybe she's just really tall.

Myob.
Anonymous
Post 10/18/2016 06:50     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
I've got 2 boys and they both seemed to shoot up overnight around the age of 13 - no growth hormones. They eat a ton and only play recreational sports so they aren't super skinny but with the way they burn calories I can easily see how they would be skinny if they trained heavily every day.

Oh, to have that teenage boy metabolism for just one day (sigh).
Anonymous
Post 10/18/2016 06:41     Subject: Re:Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
My son plays football. He's a senior now. Over the summer he needed to gain weight as he's being recruited. He's been lifting like mad and eating 6000 calories a day. Some of it is meat, carbs--some Is protein powder shakes that have a lot of calories. 2 dinners that most people wouldn't be able to even finish one of. My grocery bill is astounding. He brings lunch to school which is like an entire box of pasta (plus he brings 2 energy bars that are 350 calories each, plus smaller snacks). I buy, no joke, 6 gallons of milk a week.

I feel like all I am is a machine constantly making food. It's not easy to eat that much!

And he has trouble packing on weight--part because of a raging metabolism, part because he burns so much daily.

He also started to not shave, just because he likes the goatee. It's the "thing" on the football team.

I swear the kid went from looking like a boy to looking like a man in 4-5 months. It's almost shocking even to me.

He's super health concious- would not put a drug in his body.

Anonymous
Post 10/17/2016 22:44     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
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Anonymous wrote:I mean one tall boy is skinny, the rest of the boys are quite bulky as well. I wouldn't say hugely overweight because they are muscular, but my DS is in the same sport and can barely gain weight because how much they train and the other kids are becoming huge, not just height but overall. Heck, not barely gain weight, can't gain weight and is almost 6' tall and considered tiny when both DH and I are taller than many other parents on both boys and girls teams.


A huge amount of this is diet. Teen boys who lift need to eat an absolutely insane amount of calories and protein to build bulk. There is actually a traditional high school kid bulking diet called "GOMAD" --- which stands for Gallon Of Milk A Day (i.e. a gallon of whole milk over and above a normal teen boy diet every day). I don't recommend that, but it gives you an idea of what some boys do to actually add bulk.

DS sounds like he's in the same boat as your kid. He is 14 and 6' 1" and growing fast. This summer, a coach talked seriously to him about gaining weight because he was so incredibly thin. He's been lifting and eating a lot (like 5000 calories a day) since about August 1st, and has gained about 17 pounds in 2.5 months. He still has no visible body fat, but at least now he doesn't look as much like a stick figure because he's added some muscle. He's happy because at this point he sees in the weight room that he's stronger than a lot of the other freshmen on his team (even though he's skinnier).

He does not take steroids or HGH. At that age, you really don't need to --- just eat, lift and sleep whenever possible.




Which shows that bulking up is possible without artificial help. GOMAD? Will mention that to my son. Although I don't want the grocery bill, lol.

OP I think you're making a lot of assumptions without the information or knowledge to have even half a clue.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2016 22:37     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
How do you even get HGH?
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2016 22:32     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
My DS1 is 18 and 6'2", and I suspect he might grow some more, given how sparse his beard still is. I am 5'4" and DH is 5'10". No growth hormone or any other supplements were used in the making of this kid, lol. He does seem much taller than DH and me. But when you see him with DH's brothers and father or with my father, all of whom are 6'1" and up, his height isnt so surprising.

Similarly, my brother is 5'10" and has a 14-year-old son who is 5'7". He has been shaving for almost two years now and seems well into puberty. He may not grow much more. He seems quite short when compared to my brother and my father and my own son. But when you see him with his mother or with my mother, both of whom are 5'1", things make more sense.

Genetics are funny, OP.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2016 22:08     Subject: Growth hormone just for extra height for high level junior sports?
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't even know where to get something like this, but I both of my teenagers grew 4 inches in approximately 4 months. The boy did it the summer before high school and the girl did it the summer before sophomore year. The girl stopped growing by junior year of high school, the boy has not, but hasn't had a spurt like that again. Both of them are significantly taller than their mother. I (the father) am not tall for a man (but not short, either). The girl is a few inches shorter than I am, the boy is a little taller than she is, but still a few inches shy of me. He is still growing, though.


My sister went from the shortest girl in her class to the tallest girl in her class in eigth grade. She ended up 5'8". Our mom is Japanese (under 5") and our dad's was average 5'11".

The rest of the sisters are 5'2", 5'4" & 5'5" and grew gradually.

Some kids just shoot up.


My nephew (husband's size) was 6'2" the last time I saw him at age 15.

His mom is 5'5" and his dad is maybe 5'3" or 4".

He was on tye smaller size of average as a child.