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Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

No you don't tell your salary. If they want you they will make a good offer not based on your salary history but what teh job pays. Salary info is private and your current employer will not give that out.

It's generally required in my experience. You can try to put it off, but a lot of times these days, there's an online form where you have to put it in to even put in your app. It's not like the old days where you could choose not to mention it in your cover letter (even if requested.

Even when I was working with a recruiter recently, I put it off as long as possible but had to disclose to be in the candidate pool.

It's also often required for contractor jobs because USAID and the like won't pay the contractor based on a rate that's more than X% higher than your old rate/ salary.

Ok white woman working in finance here, and I've always been paid less than my male counterparts and I'm a lot less full of shit and have more substantive skills and get good reviews - it's not a performance thing.

But, for the online apps, I usually just put in 000,000 or 000,001 or something to push it thru. I want them to offer me a salary based on me, not my current wages.

Yup. Why do you think that is, PP?

For the online apps, I usually have to certify that everything is true and correct, so I'd be concerned about putting in a $1 salary history.

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Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

No you don't tell your salary. If they want you they will make a good offer not based on your salary history but what teh job pays. Salary info is private and your current employer will not give that out.

It's generally required in my experience. You can try to put it off, but a lot of times these days, there's an online form where you have to put it in to even put in your app. It's not like the old days where you could choose not to mention it in your cover letter (even if requested.

Even when I was working with a recruiter recently, I put it off as long as possible but had to disclose to be in the candidate pool.

It's also often required for contractor jobs because USAID and the like won't pay the contractor based on a rate that's more than X% higher than your old rate/ salary.

Ok white woman working in finance here, and I've always been paid less than my male counterparts and I'm a lot less full of shit and have more substantive skills and get good reviews - it's not a performance thing.

But, for the online apps, I usually just put in 000,000 or 000,001 or something to push it thru. I want them to offer me a salary based on me, not my current wages.

Well women make 91% of what man do...that is not broken down by urban vs rural, by profession, life choice or college educated, etc. In high income urban area like here there is most likely equity among college grads in white collar jobs. The biggest pay gap is at the lower end and blue collar. Most of these pay gap reports are almost useless because of the bias of the producer of the reports on both side. Business want to look good or the feminist have as axe to grind.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

No you don't tell your salary. If they want you they will make a good offer not based on your salary history but what teh job pays. Salary info is private and your current employer will not give that out.

It's generally required in my experience. You can try to put it off, but a lot of times these days, there's an online form where you have to put it in to even put in your app. It's not like the old days where you could choose not to mention it in your cover letter (even if requested.

Even when I was working with a recruiter recently, I put it off as long as possible but had to disclose to be in the candidate pool.

It's also often required for contractor jobs because USAID and the like won't pay the contractor based on a rate that's more than X% higher than your old rate/ salary.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

No you don't tell your salary. If they want you they will make a good offer not based on your salary history but what teh job pays. Salary info is private and your current employer will not give that out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.

I'm a minority female. I've turned down three jobs because I didn't like the compensation/manager/commute. Are you in Soviet Russia?

You should go to the local women's shelter and help them apply for jobs. You seem to have a knack for it. Report back how successful you are just "choosing a job" for them.

Actually, I do.

Sure you do.

While we are at it, can we stop hiring Jews, with all the day they take off in September/October. It's really disruptive.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.

I'm a minority female. I've turned down three jobs because I didn't like the compensation/manager/commute. Are you in Soviet Russia?

You should go to the local women's shelter and help them apply for jobs. You seem to have a knack for it. Report back how successful you are just "choosing a job" for them.

Actually, I do.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.

I'm a minority female. I've turned down three jobs because I didn't like the compensation/manager/commute. Are you in Soviet Russia?

You should go to the local women's shelter and help them apply for jobs. You seem to have a knack for it. Report back how successful you are just "choosing a job" for them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.

Or the world were people aren't lazy and actually apply for jobs and try hard...but if you want to live life in a victim complex help yourself

I am not lazy and I don't have to "apply for jobs" ... I am a rich white woman and I just have to call friends/family/contacts.

But I know that I am privileged, thanks to the rich white male connections I have. Believe me, we don't hire the most capable people always. It's not what you know it is who you know.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.

Or the world were people aren't lazy and actually apply for jobs and try hard...but if you want to live life in a victim complex help yourself

Or the world where white college boys get more than 2 months in jail for rape.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.

I'm a minority female. I've turned down three jobs because I didn't like the compensation/manager/commute. Are you in Soviet Russia?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Yes, but your experience, or any individual experience for that matter, is anecdotal.

True but I am showing you how education and experience aren't everything - which a PP claimed it was (without any data to back it up). So here is some data to back up my claim:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/21/the-best-way-to-way-to-eliminate-the-gender-pay-gap-ban-salary-negotiations/?utm_term=.b48d807d6951

"Researchers repeatedly have documented that people react more unfavorably to women who ask for more money, compared with men who do. A woman who negotiates is seen as especially demanding and therefore a less-than-ideal new colleague. In a series of controlled experiments in the 1990s, a Rutgers University study found that women risk being passed over for hire if they engage in self-promotion in job interviews, defying expectations of “feminine modesty.” More than a decade later, Harvard and Carnegie Mellon researchers found that the effect persisted, with women facing backlash when behaving assertively in negotiations. To be demanding in a business setting is to be unfeminine, unseemly, shrewish or worse. This body of research underscores a cultural truth: Women are expected to be warm, empathetic and unselfish."

And it's why Mass. has banned asking about salary history (creates a vicious cycle):

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/outside-voices-careers/articles/2016-08-05/massachusetts-makes-asking-about-salary-history-a-thing-of-the-past

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.

Or the world were people aren't lazy and actually apply for jobs and try hard...but if you want to live life in a victim complex help yourself

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there is no pay gap once you normalize for major, quality of school attended, and number of hours worked

+100

This. Needs. Repeating.

Not in my experience. it also depends on the size of the employer and their budget. My husband and I met in graduate school. We are in the same profession. We both work full time. I am paid less than he is, working for a small employer. Yes, I am looking for a new job, but when employers base their new salaries on salary history, I'll be at a disadvantage.

Those are all personal choices. You're choosing to work for a small employer. So there is no grand master plan to keep women's wages low. If there were, I'd hire only woman knowing Incould get away with paying them less.

Where is this magical place where you choose your job instead of them choosing you? Oh wait, it's call white male world.