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Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I agree with you too. Thats the dark side of all this. The charters are sucking out the motivated in ward 7 and 8 and then they reject the tough cases so the people left attending the publics are the low of the low. I don't envy your position at all.

Do you people hear yourselves when you type this crap. You're disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

Sorry to pile on even more but what do you expect. Its a very tough environment. Any decent teacher would try to get out of that situation as quikcly as possible. You are left with the worst teachers in many cases aka the dead wood.

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Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.

That's not a point we're making about charters in general. There are simply some that have erected barriers (intentionally or unintentionally) that end up with higher-SES populations (rabid DCUM charter cheerleading parents). These charters got a lot of buzz here, but they're also the ones undermining some DCPS's in gentrifying neighborhoods from getting a toehold on neighborhood kids.

Yup same issue

Why would high SES people stay in the poorer performing neighborhood school when there are better charter options available

Why would lower SES people east of the river stay in their poorer performing neighborhood scohol when there are better charter options available

So if you complete the chain regardless of what SES you are. Charters will have more motivated/better kids compared to DCPS hence the score gap

More perplexing is why high SES people go to poorer performing charters when there are better neighborhood options available. I've seen a lot of excuses for why, but I think it boils down to the HRCS having a higher percentage of whites and so there is the perception that is better performing even if the data say otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

I'm OK with that. KIPP is up front about what is expected of students and families.

+1.

And, based on a separate thread from yesterday, the school that "counsels out" most students is Banneker. Around half of incoming 9th graders are out before graduation.

Why can't charters ensure some high standards too.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I agree with you too. Thats the dark side of all this. The charters are sucking out the motivated in ward 7 and 8 and then they reject the tough cases so the people left attending the publics are the low of the low. I don't envy your position at all.

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.

That's not a point we're making about charters in general. There are simply some that have erected barriers (intentionally or unintentionally) that end up with higher-SES populations (rabid DCUM charter cheerleading parents). These charters got a lot of buzz here, but they're also the ones undermining some DCPS's in gentrifying neighborhoods from getting a toehold on neighborhood kids.

Yup same issue

Why would high SES people stay in the poorer performing neighborhood school when there are better charter options available

Why would lower SES people east of the river stay in their poorer performing neighborhood scohol when there are better charter options available

So if you complete the chain regardless of what SES you are. Charters will have more motivated/better kids compared to DCPS hence the score gap

Anonymous wrote:As a previous poster said, it is not that black & white. Some charters are doing a great job but some are pretty crappy.
They do have an advantage over DCPS schools, besides more motivated families, in being able to limit enrolment and being able to get rid of troublesome students.
There is the unfortunate practice where they keep students until Novemver and then expel them.
This ensures that they get the money allocated for that student and then the kid is sent off to their local DCPS school that
has no choice but to accept them even though the money for that student has already been given to the charter school.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

Why, because she is telling the truth?

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

Sorry to pile on even more but what do you expect. Its a very tough environment. Any decent teacher would try to get out of that situation as quikcly as possible. You are left with the worst teachers in many cases aka the dead wood.

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Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.

That's not a point we're making about charters in general. There are simply some that have erected barriers (intentionally or unintentionally) that end up with higher-SES populations (rabid DCUM charter cheerleading parents). These charters got a lot of buzz here, but they're also the ones undermining some DCPS's in gentrifying neighborhoods from getting a toehold on neighborhood kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't need statistics

Look at KIPP, DC Prep, other chartesrs that are almost all minority. The test scores are light years ahead of other schools in DCPS that are all minority

Charters are giving SOME African Americans and Hispanics an actual path to success instead of being stuck in extremely terrible public schools

Fixed that for you. I say that because I work at a school in ward 7 where we get quite a few ex-KIPPers who have been counseled out for various reasons.

Thats still better than the status quo of crappy public schools though

Instead of people being stuck at your crappy ward 7 school there is an option to go to a charter and break the poverty cycle.

I hear you and even agree with you somewhat. Just don't pretend that my crappy ward 7 school doesn't end up taking the charters' throwaways, k?

I hope you are not an educator.

+1. I feel sad for these kids.

Anonymous wrote:My take away is that large percentages African American and more poor families are self selecting into charters. So those around DCUM who argue that charters are elitist and a bastion for racist white families can now shut up.