Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:31
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
Given your opinion, would you mind pointing me to your post protesting the gross injustice to females in those countries where they are forced to cover up? (I mean, since you're equally upset about that...)
NP here, but I think most posters on this forum would agree that no external force (religion or state) should dictate what a woman wears. That's a given.
Sure, that would be best. However, I happen to think it's worse when the state forces all of its female citizens to cover up in an obvious symbol of their subjugation than when the state forces a few of its female citizens NOT to wear the symbol of subjugation. Call me crazy!
This. Agree one trillion percent.
Still doesn't make it right just because one is less worse than the other.
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:27
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
Given your opinion, would you mind pointing me to your post protesting the gross injustice to females in those countries where they are forced to cover up? (I mean, since you're equally upset about that...)
NP here, but I think most posters on this forum would agree that no external force (religion or state) should dictate what a woman wears. That's a given.
Sure, that would be best. However, I happen to think it's worse when the state forces all of its female citizens to cover up in an obvious symbol of their subjugation than when the state forces a few of its female citizens NOT to wear the symbol of subjugation. Call me crazy!
This. Agree one trillion percent.
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:25
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
Given your opinion, would you mind pointing me to your post protesting the gross injustice to females in those countries where they are forced to cover up? (I mean, since you're equally upset about that...)
NP here, but I think most posters on this forum would agree that no external force (religion or state) should dictate what a woman wears. That's a given.
Sure, that would be best. However, I happen to think it's worse when the state forces all of its female citizens to cover up in an obvious symbol of their subjugation than when the state forces a few of its female citizens NOT to wear the symbol of subjugation. Call me crazy!
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:24
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Another NP - I've actually protested against human rights violations at the Saudi embassy....so when you've done that "up in arms" previous poster then you come and talk to me about it.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
Given your opinion, would you mind pointing me to your post protesting the gross injustice to females in those countries where they are forced to cover up? (I mean, since you're equally upset about that...)
NP here, but I think most posters on this forum would agree that no external force (religion or state) should dictate what a woman wears. That's a given.
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:23
Subject: Re:Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Anonymous wrote:Folks: step out of religious fanaticism and into modernity. That goes for you too, liberal Presbyterians and Lutherans!
This is not about religion, it is about terrorism and our way of life being threatened. Stop trying to sugar coat it. I'm sure the citizens of France would appreciate your compassion with the emotional baggage they now carry due to the terrorist attacks perpetrated by Radical Islam towards their society. I am also confident you will come back and say they deserved those attacks for repressing the Muslim population in France, and you would be "full of it" for propagating that as well. The Muslims in France created their little communities and are very happy with it, otherwise they would have chosen to assimilate and join the rest of society sometime ago. France is not the bad guy here.
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:22
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Seriously, I know this is way overreaching but it reminds me of Margaret Atwood's novel, The Handmaid's Tale.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Heard this while driving to work on NPR. They were interviewing the deputy mayor and the guy was adamant that it is provocative of the Muslim women to wear the Burkini. He was also claiming that the nuns wear the clothes on teir own will and the Muslim women are obliged to wear this.
Pretty sad that ISIS/terrorists seem to be winning; they seem to be changing the way a secular country behaves. They seem to have proven that west is the enemy of Islam.
This is atrocious for Nice police to behave this way - but would be acceptable by many. Shameful!
And it plays right into the extremists hands. It says, "See, the west hates you. Join us in fighting them."
Let's see we've spent the last eight years not playing into the extremists hands and where has that gotten us? Just today a young woman was murdered in a knife attack in Australia and a man injured while the suspect screamed the usual statement I refuse to type that we have all gotten to use to hearing. Virginia Beach just a week ago, and so on. It is time for us to stand up against the extremist's repressive ways and not tolerate that in our society. It is provocative, the authorities are correct and the people of France must be on edge and that is why the politician are trying to respond and create a safe environment. You worry about this woman's feelings, I pray for the emotional recovery of every victim's family that has experienced terrorism on their own streets in recent memory. My goodness, have a little sympathy for the other side for once.
Having sympathy for one side doesn't mean I can't have sympathy for all sides. I don't worry about this woman's feelings. I worry about the fact that any gov't feels they can tell a woman what to wear or not to wear, just as I'd be worried about any gov't telling its people what religion they can follow, and how they can follow it (as long as they are not hurting others).
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:21
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
What is unsafe about a woman covering up? Are you afraid she has a bomb underneath all that clothing? Then she should be arrested and no one on the beach should be allowed to wear even a cover up so that we can be sure that everyone is safe. The bottom line is it doesn't threaten anyone's safety for a woman to wear hijab on the beach. Maybe it upsets them but that doesn't threaten their safety.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Heard this while driving to work on NPR. They were interviewing the deputy mayor and the guy was adamant that it is provocative of the Muslim women to wear the Burkini. He was also claiming that the nuns wear the clothes on teir own will and the Muslim women are obliged to wear this.
Pretty sad that ISIS/terrorists seem to be winning; they seem to be changing the way a secular country behaves. They seem to have proven that west is the enemy of Islam.
This is atrocious for Nice police to behave this way - but would be acceptable by many. Shameful!
And it plays right into the extremists hands. It says, "See, the west hates you. Join us in fighting them."
Let's see we've spent the last eight years not playing into the extremists hands and where has that gotten us? Just today a young woman was murdered in a knife attack in Australia and a man injured while the suspect screamed the usual statement I refuse to type that we have all gotten to use to hearing. Virginia Beach just a week ago, and so on. It is time for us to stand up against the extremist's repressive ways and not tolerate that in our society. It is provocative, the authorities are correct and the people of France must be on edge and that is why the politician are trying to respond and create a safe environment. You worry about this woman's feelings, I pray for the emotional recovery of every victim's family that has experienced terrorism on their own streets in recent memory. My goodness, have a little sympathy for the other side for once.
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:19
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
The picture of the Nuns makes me happy 
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:18
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
just goes to show that the French are stupid as fuck!
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:18
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Oh please, you can't drink in some countries so should we force their citizens to drink when they visit our country? Women aren't allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Should we force them to drive and force their husbands to sit in the passenger seat when they come to our country?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
+1 I've been saying the same thing. NO govt should tell a civilian person what to wear.
Could a "western" woman wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia? is there a double standard?
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:18
Subject: Re:Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Folks: step out of religious fanaticism and into modernity. That goes for you too, liberal Presbyterians and Lutherans!
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:17
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
There's a great meme!Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:16
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Yes, the image of cops surrounding any woman and ordering her to take clothes off is deeply disturbing.Anonymous wrote:Heard this while driving to work on NPR. They were interviewing the deputy mayor and the guy was adamant that it is provocative of the Muslim women to wear the Burkini. He was also claiming that the nuns wear the clothes on teir own will and the Muslim women are obliged to wear this.
Pretty sad that ISIS/terrorists seem to be winning; they seem to be changing the way a secular country behaves. They seem to have proven that west is the enemy of Islam.
This is atrocious for Nice police to behave this way - but would be acceptable by many. Shameful!
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:14
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
Given your opinion, would you mind pointing me to your post protesting the gross injustice to females in those countries where they are forced to cover up? (I mean, since you're equally upset about that...)
NP here, but I think most posters on this forum would agree that no external force (religion or state) should dictate what a woman wears. That's a given.
Anonymous
08/24/2016 12:11
Subject: Nuns on a beach in France but burkinis are banned
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A government that forbids you from wearing a burkini is as bad as a government that demands that you wear one.
+1 I've been saying the same thing. NO govt should tell a civilian person what to wear.
Could a "western" woman wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia? is there a double standard?
Saudi Arabia is about as oppressive as a government can get. No one would suggest they are an example for any country to follow.
Could a nun trot about with a Bible?
A nun probably wouldn't be let in. And she sure couldn't drive. No idea about trotting.