Anonymous
Post 07/11/2016 09:19     Subject: Stats on polic shootings
Statistics on police shootings - http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2016 08:51     Subject: Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You do not need any skill at statistics to see that if twice as many white people as black people are killed by officers but there are five times as many white people as black people, that black people are killed at a disproportionate rate. That's simple math.


But it IS proportional to the crime rate for each race. When you adjust for that, it's an equal number of white people as black people being killed. I looked this up the other day but don't know what to say about it. Not exactly the type of thing you put on facebook when you and a large chunk of your friends are liberal.


Afraid of what people will say about you when you tell the truth? Why associate with those people?


Not the PP, but I'm in the same boat. The reason I associate with "those people" is because they're my friends and overall extremely nice people. People can be passionately wrong about an issue (both sides) and still be good human beings who are worth being around.


If they would reject you or humiliate you because you bring up a factual statistic, then they are not good people. I don't get rejected from my conservative friends when we disagree politically - and we sometimes do.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2016 08:01     Subject: Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You do not need any skill at statistics to see that if twice as many white people as black people are killed by officers but there are five times as many white people as black people, that black people are killed at a disproportionate rate. That's simple math.


But it IS proportional to the crime rate for each race. When you adjust for that, it's an equal number of white people as black people being killed. I looked this up the other day but don't know what to say about it. Not exactly the type of thing you put on facebook when you and a large chunk of your friends are liberal.


Afraid of what people will say about you when you tell the truth? Why associate with those people?


Not the PP, but I'm in the same boat. The reason I associate with "those people" is because they're my friends and overall extremely nice people. People can be passionately wrong about an issue (both sides) and still be good human beings who are worth being around.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 23:52     Subject: Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You do not need any skill at statistics to see that if twice as many white people as black people are killed by officers but there are five times as many white people as black people, that black people are killed at a disproportionate rate. That's simple math.


But it IS proportional to the crime rate for each race. When you adjust for that, it's an equal number of white people as black people being killed. I looked this up the other day but don't know what to say about it. Not exactly the type of thing you put on facebook when you and a large chunk of your friends are liberal.


Afraid of what people will say about you when you tell the truth? Why associate with those people?
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 20:00     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

don't care about the statistics. The videos showing police shooting people are fucked up, whether the person being murdered by the police are black or white or murdered in proportion to the population or the percentage of their race who commit crimes or BLAH BLAH BLAH.

THE POLICE ARE MURDERING AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!! It's NOT OKAY not matter WHAT the races involved are!! Come on, people -- this is America, not ISIS territory.


That is a ridiculous statement. There are a miniscule number of very bad actors. There are a vast, vast, vast majority who are out there protecting us. If you cannot see that, it is a serious problem and makes you sound unbalanced. Five policemen are dead by someone who expressed similar views. Watch what you think.

Let the justice system handle the bad actors. It may not be perfect, but, for the most part--it works.






You wouldn't be saying that if the police randomly killed people from your social group/class.

You wouldn't be saying that if the justice system didn't work to convict them when they did.


lol. Did you even read this thread? It is about the fact that police disproportionately kill white people, at a higher rate than blacks, no matter how you look at the data. There needs to me a much larger discussion about policing in this country. Most liberal white people are just politely keeping our mouths shut on this, but the more people scream about something that isn't true, the more you are propelling a certain segment of the population towards Trump and his disgusting ideologies.

The white down syndrome young guy that was killed in MD because he stayed to watch a second showing of a movie, the white guy with Aspergers who was walking down the sidewalk in VA, that white kid killed in his car on a first date, the other white guy killed in VA. All white unarmed citizens going about their day not doing anything to warrant being killed by some D-bag cop. But no one is rioting in the street for a single one of these poor white guy. This is pissing poor white guy off, and he is sees Trump as his savior, standing up to the lies and manipulation of our PC society.




Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 18:52     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:

don't care about the statistics. The videos showing police shooting people are fucked up, whether the person being murdered by the police are black or white or murdered in proportion to the population or the percentage of their race who commit crimes or BLAH BLAH BLAH.

THE POLICE ARE MURDERING AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!! It's NOT OKAY not matter WHAT the races involved are!! Come on, people -- this is America, not ISIS territory.


That is a ridiculous statement. There are a miniscule number of very bad actors. There are a vast, vast, vast majority who are out there protecting us. If you cannot see that, it is a serious problem and makes you sound unbalanced. Five policemen are dead by someone who expressed similar views. Watch what you think.

Let the justice system handle the bad actors. It may not be perfect, but, for the most part--it works.






You wouldn't be saying that if the police randomly killed people from your social group/class.

You wouldn't be saying that if the justice system didn't work to convict them when they did.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 18:42     Subject: Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:I don't care about the statistics. The videos showing police shooting people are fucked up, whether the person being murdered by the police are black or white or murdered in proportion to the population or the percentage of their race who commit crimes or BLAH BLAH BLAH.

THE POLICE ARE MURDERING AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!! It's NOT OKAY not matter WHAT the races involved are!! Come on, people -- this is America, not ISIS territory.


There was like 2 but lets ignore the aa on aa murders
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 13:15     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
do not see it as a generational problem, but one caused by the way society is built.
Poorer areas are more densely populated, local schools are poorly funded because of lower property taxes.
The local school does not equip the kids for college (that they do not have funds to go to anyway), but for permanent low wage workers part time unemployed careers


The poorest schools get lots of federal money. The poorest schools in FCPS have much smaller classes and many, many more teachers. Yet, the test scores are still very, very low. It is true that the poorer systems do not have the bells and whistles of the wealthiest systems. Money is not the issue.

I have taught in the poorest schools. I have taught the youngest kids. You cannot imagine how unprepared they are for school. That is not the government's fault or the school's fault. It is also not the fault of the child. It is the fault of the parents. When a child has never been read to, it is very hard to teach them to read. You must start with learning how to look at a book--not just teach the ABCs. When a child comes to school hungry, it is hard to learn. And, some of these children have parents who have sold their food stamps for cigarettes or alcohol--or worse. Schools now provide breakfast for those kids. That is the right thing to do--but schools should not have to do it. When a child is abused at home or going from house to house--grandma to aunt to mom and back--it is hard to find the security necessary to focus on learning. Poverty is a huge problem--but so are drugs. That is the dirty little secret that no one wants to seriously address. Drugs in the home are damaging our society. They are keeping kids from having a childhood.
Kids in the poorest schools have the highest truancy level. If a child is not in school, you cannot blame the school.

So the parents are drug addicts?
I have recently come across research that indicates that it is the lack of pre-schooling.
A good pre-school program was found to vastly benefit the poor kids, (as it also benefits the wealthy kids)
Poor parents are not anti-school or against the kids getting educated, and they do not practice child abuse, but poverty does affect children.
That having being said, why does a wealthy school have bells and whistles? In your opinion, are they unnecessary?



It's accountability.

Graduating from a K-12 school requires little more than just showing up, studying a bit and just doing the work. Asian and jewish kids, regardless of socioeconomic status, tend to do well in school -- not because of racial issues -- but because their parents force them to do their homework and do not accept poor grades.

It seems like poor performing students come from families that don't understand that you have to hold your children accountable for their attendance, work and grades. By the time they are in high school, many of them are years behind their asian, jewish and affluent white peers, and are mentally undisciplined. Those groups get mad at their kids if they come home with a B+.

I remember some kids getting almost straight Fs on their report card. It wasn't because they were dumb; it was because they didn't do the work and their didn't force them to.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 13:07     Subject: Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:I'm confused here. I have to say this before people jump on me that I'm against policy brutality and I'm against violence against police. I'm just plain against violence. What's confusing me is this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

Look at the statistics. I feel like we are being manipulated.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/police-shootings-aren-t-a-white-or-black-problem-070716


Some people are.
But, some of us know the FACTS.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 13:06     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings

So the parents are drug addicts?
I have recently come across research that indicates that it is the lack of pre-schooling.
A good pre-school program was found to vastly benefit the poor kids, (as it also benefits the wealthy kids)
Poor parents are not anti-school or against the kids getting educated, and they do not practice child abuse, but poverty does affect children.
That having being said, why does a wealthy school have bells and whistles? In your opinion, are they unnecessary?


Another poster commented that Head Start helps. It does. But, the gains don't last (according to studies). That is because of the home environment.

And, certainly all the parents are not drug addicts--but drugs, alcohol abuse, and marijuana all play a strong part in the problems. You can deny it if you like, but, it is absolutely a serious, serious problem among the poor--and not just the poor. It has a great impact on children. That is a fact.




Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 12:57     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:

don't care about the statistics. The videos showing police shooting people are fucked up, whether the person being murdered by the police are black or white or murdered in proportion to the population or the percentage of their race who commit crimes or BLAH BLAH BLAH.

THE POLICE ARE MURDERING AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!! It's NOT OKAY not matter WHAT the races involved are!! Come on, people -- this is America, not ISIS territory.


That is a ridiculous statement. There are a miniscule number of very bad actors. There are a vast, vast, vast majority who are out there protecting us. If you cannot see that, it is a serious problem and makes you sound unbalanced. Five policemen are dead by someone who expressed similar views. Watch what you think.

Let the justice system handle the bad actors. It may not be perfect, but, for the most part--it works.







No, it doesn't work -- that's why we see these videos but the "few bad actors" get off scott free. If the system worked, THEY WOULD GO TO JAIL. And if they were just a few bad actors, other police officers would condemn them -- but they don't, they defend them, and anyone who speaks against them is shunned. Even the Mayor of New York. What a sorry display of juvenile behavior that was on the part of the police. Pitiful.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 12:53     Subject: Stats on polic shootings
That's why Head Start was started.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 11:58     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings
Anonymous wrote:
do not see it as a generational problem, but one caused by the way society is built.
Poorer areas are more densely populated, local schools are poorly funded because of lower property taxes.
The local school does not equip the kids for college (that they do not have funds to go to anyway), but for permanent low wage workers part time unemployed careers


The poorest schools get lots of federal money. The poorest schools in FCPS have much smaller classes and many, many more teachers. Yet, the test scores are still very, very low. It is true that the poorer systems do not have the bells and whistles of the wealthiest systems. Money is not the issue.

I have taught in the poorest schools. I have taught the youngest kids. You cannot imagine how unprepared they are for school. That is not the government's fault or the school's fault. It is also not the fault of the child. It is the fault of the parents. When a child has never been read to, it is very hard to teach them to read. You must start with learning how to look at a book--not just teach the ABCs. When a child comes to school hungry, it is hard to learn. And, some of these children have parents who have sold their food stamps for cigarettes or alcohol--or worse. Schools now provide breakfast for those kids. That is the right thing to do--but schools should not have to do it. When a child is abused at home or going from house to house--grandma to aunt to mom and back--it is hard to find the security necessary to focus on learning. Poverty is a huge problem--but so are drugs. That is the dirty little secret that no one wants to seriously address. Drugs in the home are damaging our society. They are keeping kids from having a childhood.
Kids in the poorest schools have the highest truancy level. If a child is not in school, you cannot blame the school.

So the parents are drug addicts?
I have recently come across research that indicates that it is the lack of pre-schooling.
A good pre-school program was found to vastly benefit the poor kids, (as it also benefits the wealthy kids)
Poor parents are not anti-school or against the kids getting educated, and they do not practice child abuse, but poverty does affect children.
That having being said, why does a wealthy school have bells and whistles? In your opinion, are they unnecessary?
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 08:43     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings
do not see it as a generational problem, but one caused by the way society is built.
Poorer areas are more densely populated, local schools are poorly funded because of lower property taxes.
The local school does not equip the kids for college (that they do not have funds to go to anyway), but for permanent low wage workers part time unemployed careers


The poorest schools get lots of federal money. The poorest schools in FCPS have much smaller classes and many, many more teachers. Yet, the test scores are still very, very low. It is true that the poorer systems do not have the bells and whistles of the wealthiest systems. Money is not the issue.

I have taught in the poorest schools. I have taught the youngest kids. You cannot imagine how unprepared they are for school. That is not the government's fault or the school's fault. It is also not the fault of the child. It is the fault of the parents. When a child has never been read to, it is very hard to teach them to read. You must start with learning how to look at a book--not just teach the ABCs. When a child comes to school hungry, it is hard to learn. And, some of these children have parents who have sold their food stamps for cigarettes or alcohol--or worse. Schools now provide breakfast for those kids. That is the right thing to do--but schools should not have to do it. When a child is abused at home or going from house to house--grandma to aunt to mom and back--it is hard to find the security necessary to focus on learning. Poverty is a huge problem--but so are drugs. That is the dirty little secret that no one wants to seriously address. Drugs in the home are damaging our society. They are keeping kids from having a childhood.
Kids in the poorest schools have the highest truancy level. If a child is not in school, you cannot blame the school.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2016 08:37     Subject: Re:Stats on polic shootings
In its April 27, 2016 issue, a Post reporter wrote a story summarizing the findings of an academic study that showed that white officers are three times less likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect than they are an unarmed white suspect. Others have suggested that the consequences of making a mistake--media coverage, civil lawsuits, imprisonment, administrative punishment--are having an effect. I'm not judging--just mentioning.