Anonymous wrote:With the previous incidents Ellis had, why was the judge so lenient with him?

Unless he really turns things around in jail, I see him easily violating his probation when he gets out in a year.

Money buys lots of favors for the rich in corrupted Montgomery County.

With the previous incidents Ellis had, why was the judge so lenient with him?

Unless he really turns things around in jail, I see him easily violating his probation when he gets out in a year.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?

WOW - just wow! How the Murk and Li families can bear the loss coupled with this boy's cavalier attitude is beyond me. My heart bleeds for them.

And yet the Murk and Li parents couldn't teach their boys to call them, call an uber or not get drunk or get in a car with a driver know to be drinking. And the boys couldn't figure it out on their own. Lots of bleeding hearts to go around. There's no monopoly on the tragedy here.

Could Ellis's parents be any more useless?

Anonymous wrote:Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?

WOW - just wow! How the Murk and Li families can bear the loss coupled with this boy's cavalier attitude is beyond me. My heart bleeds for them.

Anonymous wrote:Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?

The boy is a corrupted piece of shit. And his parents are still putting up with it. Shame on them all.

Wow this article mentions an arrest that I don't recall seeing reported before.

http://wjla.com/news/local/judge-seals-records-in-deadly-crash-case-of-sam-ellis-teen-who-killed-2-wootton-students

Do they have AA or NA in prison?

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Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post article:

"In one [recorded phone message] Anderson said, Ellis could be heard saying: “If it wasn’t for this bull----, I’d be at the beach having a lit-ass time.”"

"Lit-ass time" means getting drunk. This punk still doesn't own what he did.

What a creep. I'm sorry he'll be back in society in a year.

Look around and see how many more kids are doing what they please. Rich, poor, black, white, and everyone in between. It's everywhere and needs to stop.

Anonymous wrote:From the Washington Post article:

"In one [recorded phone message] Anderson said, Ellis could be heard saying: “If it wasn’t for this bull----, I’d be at the beach having a lit-ass time.”"

"Lit-ass time" means getting drunk. This punk still doesn't own what he did.

What a creep. I'm sorry he'll be back in society in a year.

Anonymous wrote:"The police knew who was there because they got cell phone records through the courts. Everyone's texts, etc. Not hard at all. Plus, lots of kids were still there when police arrived. You're clueless, pp."

AND a good number of those kids wouldn't talk without a subpoena. Wouldn't even stand up for their friends in death.

With all the proof the cops had of who was there, it's fishy that Saltzman got charged for only two.

For God's sake, the two dead boys were drunk, not just sam ellis.

Now that's one, two, three... right there!

Anonymous wrote:"The police knew who was there because they got cell phone records through the courts. Everyone's texts, etc. Not hard at all. Plus, lots of kids were still there when police arrived. You're clueless, pp."

AND a good number of those kids wouldn't talk without a subpoena. Wouldn't even stand up for their friends in death.

Their parents trained them to lie and cheat before they got their first training pants. Spoiled rotten. You'd be surprised. Whatever my boy/girl wants, we get. I see it all the time. It's sick. -Nanny

"The police knew who was there because they got cell phone records through the courts. Everyone's texts, etc. Not hard at all. Plus, lots of kids were still there when police arrived. You're clueless, pp."

AND a good number of those kids wouldn't talk without a subpoena. Wouldn't even stand up for their friends in death.

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Anonymous wrote:I have mixed feelings about the sentence. His lawyer wanted 18 months and that would have kept him in the Montgomery County Detention Center, where there are much better services than in the State prisons. And since he will eventually return to our community, services would be beneficial. He's obviously got some sort of addiction problem. Probably psychological issues as well. He may come out worse than when he went in. And that doesn't benefit anyone.

Don't most prisoners have a mental health issues? Yes.
Saltzman parents and kids have mental health issues to. Ok. But they worked the system to avoid jail time.

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They didn't work the system. The system has no laws that provide jail time for what Saltzman did. In fact, if I'm recalling correctly, he got the maximum penalty under law for his crimes.

Wrong. He should have been fined for EACH under-aged drinking kid at his party. Well-connected shyster attorney. What can you expect? May he rot in hell.

It wasn't because he's a well-connected shyster attorney that he was limited to 2 charges. It was that all the other well-connected parents circled the wagons and lawyered up their little princes and princesses. No one would talk to the police or admit they were at the party. Two charges x $2,500 each were all that the prosecutors could get. Shameful.

The police knew who was there because they got cell phone records through the courts. Everyone's texts, etc. Not hard at all. Plus, lots of kids were still there when police arrived. You're clueless, pp.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have mixed feelings about the sentence. His lawyer wanted 18 months and that would have kept him in the Montgomery County Detention Center, where there are much better services than in the State prisons. And since he will eventually return to our community, services would be beneficial. He's obviously got some sort of addiction problem. Probably psychological issues as well. He may come out worse than when he went in. And that doesn't benefit anyone.

Don't most prisoners have a mental health issues? Yes.
Saltzman parents and kids have mental health issues to. Ok. But they worked the system to avoid jail time.

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They didn't work the system. The system has no laws that provide jail time for what Saltzman did. In fact, if I'm recalling correctly, he got the maximum penalty under law for his crimes.

Wrong. He should have been fined for EACH under-aged drinking kid at his party. Well-connected shyster attorney. What can you expect? May he rot in hell.

It wasn't because he's a well-connected shyster attorney that he was limited to 2 charges. It was that all the other well-connected parents circled the wagons and lawyered up their little princes and princesses. No one would talk to the police or admit they were at the party. Two charges x $2,500 each were all that the prosecutors could get. Shameful.

Anonymous wrote:I have mixed feelings about the sentence. His lawyer wanted 18 months and that would have kept him in the Montgomery County Detention Center, where there are much better services than in the State prisons. And since he will eventually return to our community, services would be beneficial. He's obviously got some sort of addiction problem. Probably psychological issues as well. He may come out worse than when he went in. And that doesn't benefit anyone.

I am so tired of this argument. You sound like the judge in the Brock Turner case.

So what? Only people with no futures should be jailed, but anyone showing any sort of "promise" shouldn't be because they may be worse after they get out?

I agree that our prison system is terrible and we should offer more training and preparation for when prisoners are released, but we don't stop sentencing people because we are scared of who they "may" become after!

He killed two people. He knew she shouldn't have been driving. He knew he shouldn't have been speeding. He knew he shouldn't have been driving on the other side of the road. He has a disturbing past (as a teen) and a string of poor decisions. He shows NO REMORSE for what he has done. If the pentaly of vehicular manslaughter is 20 years, he should get 20 years.