Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 15:01     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I think back to the stupidest thing I did in my 20s, and then imagine that thing being recorded and disseminated throughout the world, becoming infamous for it, that mistake following me for the rest of my days, it makes me sick. She's a brave lady and I admire her for what she's made of her life in spite of it all.
this a hundred times over. Most of us even well into adulthood wouldn't be able to handle that level of intense scrutiny. I can't imagine and kudos to her for picking up the pieces and succumbing to suicide or depression. If she'd blown a random coworker or if she'd kept her yap shut none of this would have happened.


Am I the only one who didn't do anything stupid in her 20's? When I think back, the big things that happened, were: I moved out of my parents house, I dumped a friend for being insensitive about 9/11, I broke up with a boy who wanted to get married while I didn't feel ready yet, I got someone fired (he deserved it, but I still feel bad), and I moved across the country from family. None of these were bad choices.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:59     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:So what do you make of the White House labeling her a "stalker" until the sperm stain made an appearance . Is it a crime to officially slander a young intern to protect the powerful man who stuck a cigar in her cooch?

Just writing down the rules that feminists can all agree on so we can function in society .


Yes, slander is a civil offense (not criminal code).

However, people can also have differences of opinion. You say stalker, I say crush. You say flirt, I say sexual harasser. And so on.

As a feminist I think they both are responsible for the choices they made. He abused his position of power and violated his marriage.

She behaved a bit... obsessively. Understandable perhaps.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:58     Subject: Re:Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think she is doing great things and has a positive message.

But she's not a victim. She was 25, and he was married, a superior, and the President of the US and all. What did she think was going to happen? Did she really think she wasn't going to get caught? I'm sorry but I have a real problem with her playing the victim.

She is a human and deserves respect, forgiveness, redemption. But she was really playing with fire and old enough to know better.


Are you really this stupid or do you practice?


NP here, but I'm going to go with the former.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:58     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:So what do you make of the White House labeling her a "stalker" until the sperm stain made an appearance . Is it a crime to officially slander a young intern to protect the powerful man who stuck a cigar in her cooch?

Just writing down the rules that feminists can all agree on so we can function in society .


I think we'd all agree that she was dragged through the mud and basically destroyed to protect the political establishment. Not sure what feminists have to do with anything.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:55     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
So what do you make of the White House labeling her a "stalker" until the sperm stain made an appearance . Is it a crime to officially slander a young intern to protect the powerful man who stuck a cigar in her cooch?

Just writing down the rules that feminists can all agree on so we can function in society .
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:54     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:Just to get this straight.
It's now not a reason for a powerful CEO to engage in office sex and rimjobs with a 21 year old intern and then when finished with her and caught .. To have the company label her a "stalker " to protect the powerful man.


Just making sure all you feminists agree with this , since a president is held to a higher level than joe blow, joe blow wants this standard written into law to protect unsuspecting CEO's from any overzealous criminal inquiries.


Wait, what?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:50     Subject: Re:Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:I think she is doing great things and has a positive message.

But she's not a victim. She was 25, and he was married, a superior, and the President of the US and all. What did she think was going to happen? Did she really think she wasn't going to get caught? I'm sorry but I have a real problem with her playing the victim.

She is a human and deserves respect, forgiveness, redemption. But she was really playing with fire and old enough to know better.


Are you really this stupid or do you practice?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:44     Subject: Re:Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
I think she is doing great things and has a positive message.

But she's not a victim. She was 25, and he was married, a superior, and the President of the US and all. What did she think was going to happen? Did she really think she wasn't going to get caught? I'm sorry but I have a real problem with her playing the victim.

She is a human and deserves respect, forgiveness, redemption. But she was really playing with fire and old enough to know better.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:41     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
I like her. Why should she have to hide? Bill Clinton certainly didnt. I hope she keeps speaking out.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:37     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Just to get this straight.
It's now not a reason for a powerful CEO to engage in office sex and rimjobs with a 21 year old intern and then when finished with her and caught .. To have the company label her a "stalker " to protect the powerful man.


Just making sure all you feminists agree with this , since a president is held to a higher level than joe blow, joe blow wants this standard written into law to protect unsuspecting CEO's from any overzealous criminal inquiries.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:32     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:When I think back to the stupidest thing I did in my 20s, and then imagine that thing being recorded and disseminated throughout the world, becoming infamous for it, that mistake following me for the rest of my days, it makes me sick. She's a brave lady and I admire her for what she's made of her life in spite of it all.


+1 I was just thinking the same thing! I heard her TED talk awhile ago and thought it was a powerful piece. Additionally, I think she looks great, so leave the woman alone.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:25     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When I think back to the stupidest thing I did in my 20s, and then imagine that thing being recorded and disseminated throughout the world, becoming infamous for it, that mistake following me for the rest of my days, it makes me sick. She's a brave lady and I admire her for what she's made of her life in spite of it all.
this a hundred times over. Most of us even well into adulthood wouldn't be able to handle that level of intense scrutiny. I can't imagine and kudos to her for picking up the pieces and succumbing to suicide or depression. If she'd blown a random coworker or if she'd kept her yap shut none of this would have happened.


Agree completely. She's done a lot for herself since then. It's sad people only see the 20 something version of her.

Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:24     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I really enjoyed her TED talk and I had my DD watch it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_8y0WLm78U


Thank you for posting this! I hadn't seen it. She's actually a pretty great speaker, and I'm in awe of her resilience. Good for her. Shame on those who so needlessly bullied her.



She was excellent.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:19     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:When I think back to the stupidest thing I did in my 20s, and then imagine that thing being recorded and disseminated throughout the world, becoming infamous for it, that mistake following me for the rest of my days, it makes me sick. She's a brave lady and I admire her for what she's made of her life in spite of it all.
this a hundred times over. Most of us even well into adulthood wouldn't be able to handle that level of intense scrutiny. I can't imagine and kudos to her for picking up the pieces and succumbing to suicide or depression. If she'd blown a random coworker or if she'd kept her yap shut none of this would have happened.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2016 14:13     Subject: Monica Lewinsky - a ton of surgery, right?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:looks like she lost the puppy fat a lot of women have in their early 20's. She was cute before, but she looks really good now.

I remember thinking at the time that she was a total dumbass, but I do feel bad that one lapse in judgment had to follow her for the rest of her life. Too bad she confided in someone with an ax to grind; she could have kept things secret, had a normal career and written a killer tell-all much later in life.

(and yeah, I think Clinton f'ed up. Bigtime. Bigger error in judgment. abuse of power. But they were both adults, so her judgment was an issue too.)


Aside from hooking up with a married person being not-so-great, what did she do wrong, exactly?


If hooking up with a married person isn't enough (IMHO, it is), hooking up with your boss is also a significant lapse in judgment -- more so when your boss is in a position that receives a lot of scrutiny.


Yes, but good grief- the hypocrisy is astounding. People, including politicians, do all kinds of bizarre sex stuff. Way beyond adultery even. And *she* is the bj queen? Hastert should be!