Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 10:10     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The dysfunction of the Republican party is that it can't actually nominate a guy like Kasich -- via the primaries anyway. And that's saying a lot, because he is pretty damn conservative. He's just not outlandish enough.


As opposed to the totally functional Democrat party that can't find anyone better to nominate than Hillary or Sanders?

But the Democratic Party will nominate the candidate who is winning both the popular vote and the pledged delegate count. If the Republican Party nominates Kasich, that clearly won't be the case. In that sense, one party is clearly functional and the other is not.
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 10:01     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:Didn't anyone hear Ryan's press conference in which he definitively ruled himself out and recommended that the convention adopt a rule that only people who actually ran should be allowed to have their names put into nomination?


I heard it but not sure I believe him. After all he said there was no way he'd accept the speakership either. Time will tell.

He said that's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm not sure I believe him either, but he would be wise not to get drawn into this. Much smarter to keep his powder dry for 2020.


totally agree with you (this is PP). that is the wise move for him for sure!
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 10:01     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:The dysfunction of the Republican party is that it can't actually nominate a guy like Kasich -- via the primaries anyway. And that's saying a lot, because he is pretty damn conservative. He's just not outlandish enough.


As opposed to the totally functional Democrat party that can't find anyone better to nominate than Hillary or Sanders?
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 10:00     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone who posts this has never actually looked at Kasich's positions on the issues. He's just as right wing as Cruz. To say that you'll vote for Hillary unless you can vote for Kasich is like saying I'll vacation in Paris unless I can vacation in hell.


I am a Dem who supports Hillary. There is very little overlap between Kasich's views and mine. But I voted for him in the primary. I can handle conservative views even though I strongly disagree with them. I can't handle crazy. I hope it is Kasich v Hillary for the sake of humanity and believing my fellow Americans are not terrible.


This. Even though I hated GWB - at least I never thought he was insane.
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 10:00     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:Didn't anyone hear Ryan's press conference in which he definitively ruled himself out and recommended that the convention adopt a rule that only people who actually ran should be allowed to have their names put into nomination?


I heard it but not sure I believe him. After all he said there was no way he'd accept the speakership either. Time will tell.

He said that's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm not sure I believe him either, but he would be wise not to get drawn into this. Much smarter to keep his powder dry for 2020.
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 09:59     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
takoma wrote:Didn't anyone hear Ryan's press conference in which he definitively ruled himself out and recommended that the convention adopt a rule that only people who actually ran should be allowed to have their names put into nomination?


I heard it but not sure I believe him. After all he said there was no way he'd accept the speakership either. Time will tell.
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 09:57     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
The dysfunction of the Republican party is that it can't actually nominate a guy like Kasich -- via the primaries anyway. And that's saying a lot, because he is pretty damn conservative. He's just not outlandish enough.
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 08:57     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
takoma wrote:Didn't anyone hear Ryan's press conference in which he definitively ruled himself out and recommended that the convention adopt a rule that only people who actually ran should be allowed to have their names put into nomination?

Yes. I appreciated that they pressed him a little bit on his previous statement that he wouldn't accept the speakership.
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 07:55     Subject: Re:The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it is Kasich, he has my vote against Clinton .... and I say this as someone who has never voted for a Republican in a presidential election ever.

But Clinton is so awful that I'd actually vote Republican! If I do and Kasich ends up winning, the Democrats have only themselves to blame for foisting on us someone like Clinton who has no redeeming values.


Which of Kasich's policy proposals do you like? And why do you prefer them to Clinton's? You never vote Republican so I am assuming that you are fairly liberal. Does Kasich have proposals that are more progressive than Clinton's?


I think the more relevant question is whether Clinton is a progressive. She has changed her positions on so many issues that it is really difficult to know what she really believes. Her interventionist bent when it comes to other countries is immensely bothersome to me and I certainly believe that if she is president, I foresee the likelihood of confrontation with Iran.

Kasich is a conservative when it comes to social issues but he is also someone who is inclined to let things lie - he has pretty much said that when it comes to marriage equality and abortion rights, the law on these sort of issue is settled. How he may act as governor of Ohio does not portend how he would act as president.

I am actually a Sanders supporter but unfortunately I don't see him getting the nomination .... Clinton is not an acceptable alternative.


How he acts as governor directly related to how he would act as president. And HEC does not change her position as often as Samders supporters want you to think.


And don't forget that the republicans will likely still hold the House and Senate. Just because he may not put forward crazy proposals himself doesn't mean he'll veto ones that end up in his desk.
Anonymous
Post 04/13/2016 07:52     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:Everyone who posts this has never actually looked at Kasich's positions on the issues. He's just as right wing as Cruz. To say that you'll vote for Hillary unless you can vote for Kasich is like saying I'll vacation in Paris unless I can vacation in hell.


+1. Just because he isn't as bombastic as Trump or Cruz doesn't mean he's not very conservative. I prefer him to those two, but that's not saying much. Would never actually vote for him.
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2016 20:26     Subject: Re:The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it is Kasich, he has my vote against Clinton .... and I say this as someone who has never voted for a Republican in a presidential election ever.

But Clinton is so awful that I'd actually vote Republican! If I do and Kasich ends up winning, the Democrats have only themselves to blame for foisting on us someone like Clinton who has no redeeming values.


Which of Kasich's policy proposals do you like? And why do you prefer them to Clinton's? You never vote Republican so I am assuming that you are fairly liberal. Does Kasich have proposals that are more progressive than Clinton's?


I think the more relevant question is whether Clinton is a progressive. She has changed her positions on so many issues that it is really difficult to know what she really believes. Her interventionist bent when it comes to other countries is immensely bothersome to me and I certainly believe that if she is president, I foresee the likelihood of confrontation with Iran.

Kasich is a conservative when it comes to social issues but he is also someone who is inclined to let things lie - he has pretty much said that when it comes to marriage equality and abortion rights, the law on these sort of issue is settled. How he may act as governor of Ohio does not portend how he would act as president.

I am actually a Sanders supporter but unfortunately I don't see him getting the nomination .... Clinton is not an acceptable alternative.


How he acts as governor directly related to how he would act as president. And HEC does not change her position as often as Samders supporters want you to think.
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2016 20:17     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Yes OP You are exactly right - and I think a lot of people wold have a hard time deciding as would I.

(The problem is that the person who can make it through the Repub primary system is a terrible candidate for the general election. The repubs are going to have to figure that out if they ever get their head of their asses.)
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2016 18:59     Subject: Re:The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it is Kasich, he has my vote against Clinton .... and I say this as someone who has never voted for a Republican in a presidential election ever.

But Clinton is so awful that I'd actually vote Republican! If I do and Kasich ends up winning, the Democrats have only themselves to blame for foisting on us someone like Clinton who has no redeeming values.


Which of Kasich's policy proposals do you like? And why do you prefer them to Clinton's? You never vote Republican so I am assuming that you are fairly liberal. Does Kasich have proposals that are more progressive than Clinton's?


I think the more relevant question is whether Clinton is a progressive. She has changed her positions on so many issues that it is really difficult to know what she really believes. Her interventionist bent when it comes to other countries is immensely bothersome to me and I certainly believe that if she is president, I foresee the likelihood of confrontation with Iran.

Kasich is a conservative when it comes to social issues but he is also someone who is inclined to let things lie - he has pretty much said that when it comes to marriage equality and abortion rights, the law on these sort of issue is settled. How he may act as governor of Ohio does not portend how he would act as president.

I am actually a Sanders supporter but unfortunately I don't see him getting the nomination .... Clinton is not an acceptable alternative.
takoma
Post 04/12/2016 17:07     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Didn't anyone hear Ryan's press conference in which he definitively ruled himself out and recommended that the convention adopt a rule that only people who actually ran should be allowed to have their names put into nomination?
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2016 16:51     Subject: The election should be between Clinton and Kasich
Anonymous wrote:Biden/Warren vs Ryan/Rubio. You heard it here first.



Ha! Thanks for the laugh.