Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 13:43     Subject: Re:Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:It seems like a shift from some of her previous positions, especially #2 and #9 below.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/01/10-times-hillary-clinton-revealed-how-extreme-she-is-on-abortion
1) “Religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed” to expand abortion.
2) Clinton attacks bill to protect unborn babies from painful late abortions.
3) Clinton denies the science of fetal pain.
4) Clinton Gets “Hero’s Welcome” at Pro-Abortion EMILY’s List Gala
5) Planned Parenthood Employees Pour Cash to Clinton
6) Clinton defends Planned Parenthood after videos expose the organization’s trafficking of aborted baby body parts.
7) She even released a video message in support of Planned Parenthood.
8) StemExpress CEO Cate Dyer has endorsed Clinton for president.
9) Clinton attacked state-level efforts to enact commonsense protections for unborn children and their mothers.
10) Clinton likened pro-life Americans to terrorists



Did the loonies join the thread? Or is this a joke?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 13:34     Subject: Re:Clinton on Planned Parenthood

It seems like a shift from some of her previous positions, especially #2 and #9 below.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/01/10-times-hillary-clinton-revealed-how-extreme-she-is-on-abortion
1) “Religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed” to expand abortion.
2) Clinton attacks bill to protect unborn babies from painful late abortions.
3) Clinton denies the science of fetal pain.
4) Clinton Gets “Hero’s Welcome” at Pro-Abortion EMILY’s List Gala
5) Planned Parenthood Employees Pour Cash to Clinton
6) Clinton defends Planned Parenthood after videos expose the organization’s trafficking of aborted baby body parts.
7) She even released a video message in support of Planned Parenthood.
8) StemExpress CEO Cate Dyer has endorsed Clinton for president.
9) Clinton attacked state-level efforts to enact commonsense protections for unborn children and their mothers.
10) Clinton likened pro-life Americans to terrorists
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 13:13     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.


No, that's is not what she said. She further said this " But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action." I don't think Republicans would not be willing to restrict abortion



I think you are seeing what you want to see. It seems there is at least an implication that she is willing to change the laws.


Sure. Then why say Republicans would be unwilling to do that? They would love that.



She might have meant that they are unwilling to allow any form of abortion to be legal. A lot of people feel that way.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 13:11     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.


No, that's is not what she said. She further said this " But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action." I don't think Republicans would not be willing to restrict abortion



I think you are seeing what you want to see. It seems there is at least an implication that she is willing to change the laws.


Sure. Then why say Republicans would be unwilling to do that? They would love that.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:47     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.


No, that's is not what she said. She further said this " But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action." I don't think Republicans would not be willing to restrict abortion



I think you are seeing what you want to see. It seems there is at least an implication that she is willing to change the laws.


Agree. Basically what's being said is that if push came to shove and the Republicans were to pursue a Constitutional Amendment to outlaw abortion, Hillary would concede and let them have their Amendment, but with an exception made for the life of the mother. That's how it reads. I'm not sure how anyone can get anything else out of it.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:44     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

It seems that this thread illustrated Jeff's point. Clinton made the comment in a way that allows everyone to see exactly what they want to see. On this thread her supporters say that she is obviously planning to protect a woman's right to choose. Sanders supporters say that she is flexible on the right to choose and will be willing to further restrict women's reproductive freedom. I can imagine that conservatives might look at this and interpret it that Clinton might be willing to bend on this. She really didn't say anything except for "I am willing to rethink this." Unless there is more to the interview that I am missing.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:19     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.


No, that's is not what she said. She further said this " But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action." I don't think Republicans would not be willing to restrict abortion



I think you are seeing what you want to see. It seems there is at least an implication that she is willing to change the laws.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:17     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.


No, that's is not what she said. She further said this " But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action." I don't think Republicans would not be willing to restrict abortion
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:17     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.



It's hard to say. That's why I was hoping someone could point me to more information about this. The interview clip could really go either way. The language is pretty vague and you can almost read whatever you want to into it. She might have done that on purpose so that people who would like to see more restrictions will agree with her as well as those who already believe she will defend reproductive rights.


There's nothing else on this from my search. However, she was very consistent (for a long time) on this issue, so I am not at all worried about her wanting to restrict abortions.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm



Being consistent for a long time doesn't mean she is consistent now.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:16     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.



It's hard to say. That's why I was hoping someone could point me to more information about this. The interview clip could really go either way. The language is pretty vague and you can almost read whatever you want to into it. She might have done that on purpose so that people who would like to see more restrictions will agree with her as well as those who already believe she will defend reproductive rights.


There's nothing else on this from my search. However, she was very consistent (for a long time) on this issue, so I am not at all worried about her wanting to restrict abortions.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:14     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.



It's hard to say. That's why I was hoping someone could point me to more information about this. The interview clip could really go either way. The language is pretty vague and you can almost read whatever you want to into it. She might have done that on purpose so that people who would like to see more restrictions will agree with her as well as those who already believe she will defend reproductive rights.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 12:10     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:
takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "


Sound to me like she's in favor of amending the Constitution to outlaw (restrict) abortions with exception of the mother's health.
That runs counter to Planned Parenthood's stance.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 10:22     Subject: Re:Clinton on Planned Parenthood

Anonymous wrote:I see nothing wrong with that


Ditto!
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 08:41     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.




Can anyone provide details on this?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2016 08:40     Subject: Clinton on Planned Parenthood

takoma wrote:I did not hear anything in her comments about amending the Constitution. She was talking about being willing to consider a Republican bill IF it were consistent with Roe v Wade and took into account the mother's health. So she still opposes a total ban on late-term abortions, but accepts the idea that a state can limit them provided there are reasonable exceptions such as the mother's health. That is perfectly in line with Roe v Wade as I understand it.


What do you think this means?

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. "