Anonymous
Post 04/01/2016 06:51     Subject: Re:What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

jsteele wrote:Trump was frequently critical of BLM before then even took much interest in him. He rather famously said that he would never let them take the mic from him the way that Sanders had and suggested that he would use force to prevent it. He then retweeted false crime statistics that were biased against blacks. To add insult to injury, the tweet originated with a white supremacist.

Moreover, Trump has a history where blacks are concerned. He violated fair housing laws by discriminating against black applicants for his rental properties. Many feel that his "birtherism" with regard to Obama was motivated by race (though his similar attack on Cruz might negate that a bit). Also, he has made questionable -- and not so questionable -- statements such as:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/592910662424223744

"Our great African American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore!"

And:

"African-American youth are at a point where they've just about never done more poorly, there's no spirit, there’s killings on an hourly basis virtually in places like Baltimore and Chicago and many other places."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-says-african-american-youths-have-no-spirit-10342030.html

He then went on to blame Obama for that. While there are far too many killings of and by black youth in many parts of the country, it is wrong to say that there is no spirit among black youth or that they have never done more poorly. Trump unfairly stereotypes a very heterogeneous community.



Didn't obama himself criticize black men for their poor fathering skills? The black youth violence probably goes back to his state,net about trayvon when o was pressured by black leaders after Obama didn't comment but commented on a white girl. Either way are you saying that black crime is low and shouldn't be paid attention to, highlighted or criticized? In recent news a 17 yr old black kid in ny robbed a white guy at gunpoint fot his shoes as a result he got ran over by the white guy and lost his arm. You probably won't respond but I think it's wrong to turn a blind eye to problems.
Anonymous
Post 04/01/2016 00:18     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy. Self defense.
This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family. His administration interfered and tried filing federal charges. Then he does the same thing in MO after Thug M Brown repeatedly attacked an Officer. All these BLM are racist Thugs taking up causes in cases where Thugs were clearly the issue.
Cop Killings ! Laughable considering most victims are white. Skin color has nothing to do with all the bad incompetent pieces of shit cops in the Departments

Just to get this off my chest. My great great grandfather a Union Soldier with a New Jersey Volunteer Unit was killed in action outside Atlanta while attempting to free slaves. I want to know where my reparations are and scores of other whites that died to free them. Idiots. BLM is nothing but a hateful totally racist group with some very ignorant dumb shit white people thrown in.

This is why I'm voting Trump. No more PC. They want to call me cracker , I'll call them N


So much ignorance, so little time. Even if someone is killed as a result of self-defense, it doesn't mean their life didn't matter. It is a tragic loss if even a justifiable one. Moreover, there have been many documented cases of "self-defense" being very questionable. Why is it that in an open carry state such as Ohio, black people, even children, are shot on sight by the police?

It is funny that you believe "racial tension" started with Obama as if there had never been racial tension in the history of the world prior to that. Apparently in your mind, slavery didn't cause racial tension. The civil rights movement didn't provoke racial tension. The Republican "southern strategy" that explicitly evoked white fears didn't involve racial tension. The Willy Horton ad run against Dukakis had nothing to do with racial tension. Jesse Helm's running a campaign ad showing a white man losing a job to a black man was about something other than racial tension. South Carolina Republicans who ran a smear campaign agains John McCain for having a black child weren't counting on racial tensions. Nope, no racial tensions anywhere, ever, before Obama. In particular, those people who were calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim before he was even elected were not feeling even a hint of racial tension.

Brown didn't repeatedly attack the police officer. He was 20 feet away from him when he was shot multiple times and killed.

It is the sad history of the Civil War that the Union did not go to war with the aim of freeing the slaves. Whatever family mythology may have developed around your great great grandfather, the military for which he fought was attempting to end a rebellion and reject succession. While we appreciate the service of all who have served in our military, I'm not sure why you expect any special consideration as a result. If your great great grandfather had been a slave owner, you would not accept any special blame.

I think your true feelings regarding race are clarified by your last sentence. You simply can't wait for an excuse to use the n-word. The fact that you can't do that now must be particularly aggravating to you.


We all know what "Thug" really means in this twisted little mind. The fact that PP believes that his ancestor was killed trying to free slaves also demonstrates an utter lack of understanding of the Civil War and Sherman's March to Atlanta and then on to Savannah. Oh, then there's the fact New Jersey voted for Douglas over Lincoln.
jsteele
Post 03/31/2016 23:45     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:Not pp but you are allowed to use the n word if you are rapping along to a song. Chris rock gave us a pass.


Excellent solution for that PP. He should become a rapper. It would probably save him a lot of frustration.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 23:31     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Trump thinks it's "PC bullshit" when the black community points out the overwhelming about of police targeting and brutality happening in their midst.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 20:50     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Easy. Self defense.
This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family. His administration interfered and tried filing federal charges. Then he does the same thing in MO after Thug M Brown repeatedly attacked an Officer. All these BLM are racist Thugs taking up causes in cases where Thugs were clearly the issue.
Cop Killings ! Laughable considering most victims are white. Skin color has nothing to do with all the bad incompetent pieces of shit cops in the Departments

Just to get this off my chest. My great great grandfather a Union Soldier with a New Jersey Volunteer Unit was killed in action outside Atlanta while attempting to free slaves. I want to know where my reparations are and scores of other whites that died to free them. Idiots. BLM is nothing but a hateful totally racist group with some very ignorant dumb shit white people thrown in.

This is why I'm voting Trump. No more PC. They want to call me cracker , I'll call them N


So much ignorance, so little time. Even if someone is killed as a result of self-defense, it doesn't mean their life didn't matter. It is a tragic loss if even a justifiable one. Moreover, there have been many documented cases of "self-defense" being very questionable. Why is it that in an open carry state such as Ohio, black people, even children, are shot on sight by the police?

It is funny that you believe "racial tension" started with Obama as if there had never been racial tension in the history of the world prior to that. Apparently in your mind, slavery didn't cause racial tension. The civil rights movement didn't provoke racial tension. The Republican "southern strategy" that explicitly evoked white fears didn't involve racial tension. The Willy Horton ad run against Dukakis had nothing to do with racial tension. Jesse Helm's running a campaign ad showing a white man losing a job to a black man was about something other than racial tension. South Carolina Republicans who ran a smear campaign agains John McCain for having a black child weren't counting on racial tensions. Nope, no racial tensions anywhere, ever, before Obama. In particular, those people who were calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim before he was even elected were not feeling even a hint of racial tension.

Brown didn't repeatedly attack the police officer. He was 20 feet away from him when he was shot multiple times and killed.

It is the sad history of the Civil War that the Union did not go to war with the aim of freeing the slaves. Whatever family mythology may have developed around your great great grandfather, the military for which he fought was attempting to end a rebellion and reject succession. While we appreciate the service of all who have served in our military, I'm not sure why you expect any special consideration as a result. If your great great grandfather had been a slave owner, you would not accept any special blame.

I think your true feelings regarding race are clarified by your last sentence. You simply can't wait for an excuse to use the n-word. The fact that you can't do that now must be particularly aggravating to you.


Not pp but you are allowed to use the n word if you are rapping along to a song. Chris rock gave us a pass.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 20:17     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

This BLM thing started with that monster maniac Mike Brown who repeatedly attacked a police officer--including grabbing his weapon-- after stealing from a nice minority storeowner, correct?

If so, BLM's main issue seems to be that they don't want to see any police around, ever. The Wild West was so much fun!


Perhaps if they adopt truth in advertising, BLM should rename itself ThugLivesMatter.


Only if they are black.

#BlackThugLivesMatter

Perhaps simply

#BlackThugsMatter


Can any of you PPs tell me why any black life, even a black thug's life, wouldn't matter? Even a criminal has the right to due process.


Easy. Self defense.
This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family. His administration interfered and tried filing federal charges. Then he does the same thing in MO after Thug M Brown repeatedly attacked an Officer. All these BLM are racist Thugs taking up causes in cases where Thugs were clearly the issue.
Cop Killings ! Laughable considering most victims are white. Skin color has nothing to do with all the bad incompetent pieces of shit cops in the Departments

Just to get this off my chest. My great great grandfather a Union Soldier with a New Jersey Volunteer Unit was killed in action outside Atlanta while attempting to free slaves. I want to know where my reparations are and scores of other whites that died to free them. Idiots. BLM is nothing but a hateful totally racist group with some very ignorant dumb shit white people thrown in.

This is why I'm voting Trump. No more PC. They want to call me cracker , I'll call them N


And, Ladies and Gentlemen, this is where race-based policies and cultural obsessions is taking us...

"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in 2007, “is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

Hear hear


That would be awesome if people actually stopped judging me b/c of my black skin.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 12:06     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family....



That's the funniest shit I've heard all day.
What is this an early April Fool's joke?
Wait...you're serious?
Lol - okay lemme try and clear this bullshit up...
No way you're so stupid as to suggest that prior to Obama coming into office there was no racial tension in this country.
So obviously you're merely suggesting that the racial tension wasn't as prevalent in the media prior to President Obama's election and subsequently every single thing he says and does being examined under a microscope for traces of potential race-pandering to (GASP!!) someone other than the traditionally privileged pale skinned people of this country.


Different poster here:
1) It's pretty obvious that racial relations are worse today than in 2008
2) It's pretty obvious that a white-majority country voted twice for a black (OK, biracial) President
3) It's pretty obvious that the Presidency gives you a lot of influence and power...which Obama misused, leading to 1) and despite 2)


1. Obvious to who? I would say that is when many Whites were forced to deal with race on a regular basis. The issues did not just spring up. The issues that we now see on the news and the Net everyday have been issues faced in these communities for decades. It is just that now these issues are being piped into YOUR everyday existence.
2. True - and that makes you think that race relations are worse?
3. And many minorities would say that he did not go far enough in using his power and influence.

TBH, I think that the main factors in the current racial environment are (1) the rise of social media as an quick and easy forum/fact gatherer/video provider and (2) the MSM's realization that racial tension sells. We used to be able to shield ourselves from these issues although they were always there. Now we cannot because the methods we use to gather info saturate us with these issues. Same with issues regarding Islam. Islamic based terrorism is not "on the rise." Look at the data. It is just that the images are piped into our homes at a everyday clip.
jsteele
Post 03/31/2016 12:03     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:Easy. Self defense.
This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family. His administration interfered and tried filing federal charges. Then he does the same thing in MO after Thug M Brown repeatedly attacked an Officer. All these BLM are racist Thugs taking up causes in cases where Thugs were clearly the issue.
Cop Killings ! Laughable considering most victims are white. Skin color has nothing to do with all the bad incompetent pieces of shit cops in the Departments

Just to get this off my chest. My great great grandfather a Union Soldier with a New Jersey Volunteer Unit was killed in action outside Atlanta while attempting to free slaves. I want to know where my reparations are and scores of other whites that died to free them. Idiots. BLM is nothing but a hateful totally racist group with some very ignorant dumb shit white people thrown in.

This is why I'm voting Trump. No more PC. They want to call me cracker , I'll call them N


So much ignorance, so little time. Even if someone is killed as a result of self-defense, it doesn't mean their life didn't matter. It is a tragic loss if even a justifiable one. Moreover, there have been many documented cases of "self-defense" being very questionable. Why is it that in an open carry state such as Ohio, black people, even children, are shot on sight by the police?

It is funny that you believe "racial tension" started with Obama as if there had never been racial tension in the history of the world prior to that. Apparently in your mind, slavery didn't cause racial tension. The civil rights movement didn't provoke racial tension. The Republican "southern strategy" that explicitly evoked white fears didn't involve racial tension. The Willy Horton ad run against Dukakis had nothing to do with racial tension. Jesse Helm's running a campaign ad showing a white man losing a job to a black man was about something other than racial tension. South Carolina Republicans who ran a smear campaign agains John McCain for having a black child weren't counting on racial tensions. Nope, no racial tensions anywhere, ever, before Obama. In particular, those people who were calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim before he was even elected were not feeling even a hint of racial tension.

Brown didn't repeatedly attack the police officer. He was 20 feet away from him when he was shot multiple times and killed.

It is the sad history of the Civil War that the Union did not go to war with the aim of freeing the slaves. Whatever family mythology may have developed around your great great grandfather, the military for which he fought was attempting to end a rebellion and reject succession. While we appreciate the service of all who have served in our military, I'm not sure why you expect any special consideration as a result. If your great great grandfather had been a slave owner, you would not accept any special blame.

I think your true feelings regarding race are clarified by your last sentence. You simply can't wait for an excuse to use the n-word. The fact that you can't do that now must be particularly aggravating to you.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 11:59     Subject: Re:What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Here is the problem with BLM

Too many of the poster people for their cause acted wrongly/there was nothing wrong done. See Minnesota for the latest example.

If you truly had innocent people being gunned down it would be different.

BLM is just the next generation of Al Shaprton/Jesse Jackson
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 11:52     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family....



That's the funniest shit I've heard all day.
What is this an early April Fool's joke?
Wait...you're serious?
Lol - okay lemme try and clear this bullshit up...
No way you're so stupid as to suggest that prior to Obama coming into office there was no racial tension in this country.
So obviously you're merely suggesting that the racial tension wasn't as prevalent in the media prior to President Obama's election and subsequently every single thing he says and does being examined under a microscope for traces of potential race-pandering to (GASP!!) someone other than the traditionally privileged pale skinned people of this country.


Different poster here:
1) It's pretty obvious that racial relations are worse today than in 2008
2) It's pretty obvious that a white-majority country voted twice for a black (OK, biracial) President
3) It's pretty obvious that the Presidency gives you a lot of influence and power...which Obama misused, leading to 1) and despite 2)
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 11:49     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family....



That's the funniest shit I've heard all day.
What is this an early April Fool's joke?
Wait...you're serious?
Lol - okay lemme try and clear this bullshit up...
No way you're so stupid as to suggest that prior to Obama coming into office there was no racial tension in this country.
So obviously you're merely suggesting that the racial tension wasn't as prevalent in the media prior to President Obama's election and subsequently every single thing he says and does being examined under a microscope for traces of potential race-pandering to (GASP!!) someone other than the traditionally privileged pale skinned people of this country.


+1 Amazes me that people actually think that Obama caused all this. They must have lives some pretty charmed lives. Never mind that the racists were on full display when the man was RUNNING for POTUS.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 11:46     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

This BLM thing started with that monster maniac Mike Brown who repeatedly attacked a police officer--including grabbing his weapon-- after stealing from a nice minority storeowner, correct?

If so, BLM's main issue seems to be that they don't want to see any police around, ever. The Wild West was so much fun!


Perhaps if they adopt truth in advertising, BLM should rename itself ThugLivesMatter.


Only if they are black.

#BlackThugLivesMatter

Perhaps simply

#BlackThugsMatter


Can any of you PPs tell me why any black life, even a black thug's life, wouldn't matter? Even a criminal has the right to due process.


Easy. Self defense.
This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family. His administration interfered and tried filing federal charges. Then he does the same thing in MO after Thug M Brown repeatedly attacked an Officer. All these BLM are racist Thugs taking up causes in cases where Thugs were clearly the issue.
Cop Killings ! Laughable considering most victims are white. Skin color has nothing to do with all the bad incompetent pieces of shit cops in the Departments

Just to get this off my chest. My great great grandfather a Union Soldier with a New Jersey Volunteer Unit was killed in action outside Atlanta while attempting to free slaves. I want to know where my reparations are and scores of other whites that died to free them. Idiots. BLM is nothing but a hateful totally racist group with some very ignorant dumb shit white people thrown in.

This is why I'm voting Trump. No more PC. They want to call me cracker , I'll call them N


Yup, let's vote for the guy who is not PC and offends people at an equal clip. Doesn't matter if his policies help me or hurt me. Does not matter if he is actually competent to be POTUS. Does not matter if he has any diplomatic skills. He says whatever dumb ass thing that is on his mind without filter. He is the man who should be leading a diverse nation. He gets my vote!
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 11:45     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

This BLM thing started with that monster maniac Mike Brown who repeatedly attacked a police officer--including grabbing his weapon-- after stealing from a nice minority storeowner, correct?

If so, BLM's main issue seems to be that they don't want to see any police around, ever. The Wild West was so much fun!


Perhaps if they adopt truth in advertising, BLM should rename itself ThugLivesMatter.


Only if they are black.

#BlackThugLivesMatter

Perhaps simply

#BlackThugsMatter


Can any of you PPs tell me why any black life, even a black thug's life, wouldn't matter? Even a criminal has the right to due process.


Easy. Self defense.
This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family. His administration interfered and tried filing federal charges. Then he does the same thing in MO after Thug M Brown repeatedly attacked an Officer. All these BLM are racist Thugs taking up causes in cases where Thugs were clearly the issue.
Cop Killings ! Laughable considering most victims are white. Skin color has nothing to do with all the bad incompetent pieces of shit cops in the Departments

Just to get this off my chest. My great great grandfather a Union Soldier with a New Jersey Volunteer Unit was killed in action outside Atlanta while attempting to free slaves. I want to know where my reparations are and scores of other whites that died to free them. Idiots. BLM is nothing but a hateful totally racist group with some very ignorant dumb shit white people thrown in.

This is why I'm voting Trump. No more PC. They want to call me cracker , I'll call them N


I'm glad you got that off your chest.
Your great great grandfather was attempting to free the slaves? That's why he was fighting in the Civil War? No he didn't. He was drafted. Even Lincoln was just trying
to save the Union. You are wrong about every single thing you said.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 11:43     Subject: What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:This whole racial tension started with Obama publicly siding with T Martins family....



That's the funniest shit I've heard all day.
What is this an early April Fool's joke?
Wait...you're serious?
Lol - okay lemme try and clear this bullshit up...
No way you're so stupid as to suggest that prior to Obama coming into office there was no racial tension in this country.
So obviously you're merely suggesting that the racial tension wasn't as prevalent in the media prior to President Obama's election and subsequently every single thing he says and does being examined under a microscope for traces of potential race-pandering to (GASP!!) someone other than the traditionally privileged pale skinned people of this country.
Anonymous
Post 03/31/2016 11:41     Subject: Re:What is Black Lives Matter's beef with Trump

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:Trump was frequently critical of BLM before then even took much interest in him. He rather famously said that he would never let them take the mic from him the way that Sanders had and suggested that he would use force to prevent it. He then retweeted false crime statistics that were biased against blacks. To add insult to injury, the tweet originated with a white supremacist.

Moreover, Trump has a history where blacks are concerned. He violated fair housing laws by discriminating against black applicants for his rental properties. Many feel that his "birtherism" with regard to Obama was motivated by race (though his similar attack on Cruz might negate that a bit). Also, he has made questionable -- and not so questionable -- statements such as:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/592910662424223744

"Our great African American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore!"

And:

"African-American youth are at a point where they've just about never done more poorly, there's no spirit, there’s killings on an hourly basis virtually in places like Baltimore and Chicago and many other places."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-says-african-american-youths-have-no-spirit-10342030.html

He then went on to blame Obama for that. While there are far too many killings of and by black youth in many parts of the country, it is wrong to say that there is no spirit among black youth or that they have never done more poorly. Trump unfairly stereotypes a very heterogeneous community.


+1
Add to all that Trump chanting All Lives Matter at his rallies.


That is plain horrible.


Why exactly? Don't all lives matter??



Of course all lives DO matter but "All Lives Matter" is not a movement or a call to action. It is a whiny retort to an issue that a significant part of our society feels is important. If you are not willing to hold police officers up to scrutiny and hold them accountable when they kill someone, Black or White, than you should not be chanting "All Lives Matter" like it is some call to action. Someone saying "Black Lives Matter" is not saying that all lives don't matter.

Signed

A White woman who is tired of all the whining from the Right.