Anonymous
03/26/2016 14:51
Subject: New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
I definitely went to school with kids who were accepted to TJ, but decided to stay put. They wanted a normal high school experience.
Anonymous
03/26/2016 14:42
Subject: New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Anonymous wrote:It shows that kids interested in sports stay at Lake Braddock, Robinson, and West Springfield.
Actually, a lot of it uas to do with wanting a well rounded high school experience, not just aports but theater, music, robotics, academic clubs, dance, church, work opportunities, etc.
And a decent sized cohort is military at those schools. The idea of unnecessarily changing schools for those kids is very unapealing, even to the academic ones who wojld likely love TJ.
Anonymous
03/26/2016 14:24
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
You can argue that one of these schools is "better" than another based on the stats you choose. But the reality is a kid with educated parents from a relatively affluent home should have a great outcome at any of these schools.
+1000 This is the most important metric.
Anonymous
03/26/2016 14:18
Subject: New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Anonymous wrote:It shows that kids interested in sports stay at Lake Braddock, Robinson, and West Springfield.
Langley, Oakton, Madison and McLean have all had 6A state championships since 2015 - for example, baseball (Madison), soccer (Langley), gymnastics (McLean) and tennis (Oakton).
Anonymous
03/26/2016 14:07
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Anonymous wrote:At least at the high school level, people tend to look at a range of metrics. Here are the latest rankings/metrics for 11 of the more frequently discussed high schools in FCPS.
Here are different ratings/scores for some of the more frequently discussed HS in FCPS:
Great Schools
TJ 10
Marshall 9
West Springfield 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Langley 8
McLean 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
Robinson 8
Woodson 8
SAT Scores for Class of 2015
TJ 2216
McLean 1852
Langley 1851
Woodson 1810
Oakton 1792
Madison 1787
Marshall 1742
Chantilly 1728
Robinson 1728
West Springfield 1704
Lake Braddock 1692
US News Ratings - State of Virginia
TJ 1
Langley 2
Woodson 3
McLean 4
Oakton 6
Madison 7
West Springfileld 11
Robinson 13
Lake Braddock 14
Marshall 15
Chantilly 19
National Merit Semifinalists - Class of 2016
TJ 163
McLean 16
Madison 12
Oakton 7
Langley 6
Lake Braddock 5
Woodson 5
Chantilly 2
Marshall 2
Robinson 1
West Springfield 1
Washington Post - 2015 Challenge Index "E&E" Ratings (College Readiness)
TJ N/R
McLean 78.80%
Madison 72.80
Oakton 72.00
Langley 70.10
Marshall 67.50
Woodson 67.50
Robinson 62.70
Lake Braddock 57.60
West Springfield 57.50
Chantilly 53.40
2015 Virginia Board of Education "Virginia Index of Performance" Awards
Educational Excellence - Chantilly, Langley, Madison, McLean, Oakton, Robinson, TJ, West Springfield, Woodson
Distinguished Achievement - Lake Braddock
Not Recognized - Marshall
2014-15 Dropout Rates
TJ 0.05%
Robinson 0.18
Lake Braddock 0.30
Langley 0.30
West Springfield 0.31
McLean 0.39
Oakton 0.40
Woodson 0.42
Chantilly 0.71
Madison 0.73
Marshall 1.05
You can argue that one of these schools is "better" than another based on the stats you choose. But the reality is a kid with educated parents from a relatively affluent home should have a great outcome at any of these schools.
Anonymous
03/26/2016 13:43
Subject: New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
It shows that kids interested in sports stay at Lake Braddock, Robinson, and West Springfield.
Anonymous
03/26/2016 13:38
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Anonymous wrote:At least at the high school level, people tend to look at a range of metrics. Here are the latest rankings/metrics for 11 of the more frequently discussed high schools in FCPS.
Here are different ratings/scores for some of the more frequently discussed HS in FCPS:
Great Schools
TJ 10
Marshall 9
West Springfield 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Langley 8
McLean 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
Robinson 8
Woodson 8
SAT Scores for Class of 2015
TJ 2216
McLean 1852
Langley 1851
Woodson 1810
Oakton 1792
Madison 1787
Marshall 1742
Chantilly 1728
Robinson 1728
West Springfield 1704
Lake Braddock 1692
US News Ratings - State of Virginia
TJ 1
Langley 2
Woodson 3
McLean 4
Oakton 6
Madison 7
West Springfileld 11
Robinson 13
Lake Braddock 14
Marshall 15
Chantilly 19
National Merit Semifinalists - Class of 2016
TJ 163
McLean 16
Madison 12
Oakton 7
Langley 6
Lake Braddock 5
Woodson 5
Chantilly 2
Marshall 2
Robinson 1
West Springfield 1
Washington Post - 2015 Challenge Index "E&E" Ratings (College Readiness)
TJ N/R
McLean 78.80%
Madison 72.80
Oakton 72.00
Langley 70.10
Marshall 67.50
Woodson 67.50
Robinson 62.70
Lake Braddock 57.60
West Springfield 57.50
Chantilly 53.40
2015 Virginia Board of Education "Virginia Index of Performance" Awards
Educational Excellence - Chantilly, Langley, Madison, McLean, Oakton, Robinson, TJ, West Springfield, Woodson
Distinguished Achievement - Lake Braddock
Not Recognized - Marshall
2014-15 Dropout Rates
TJ 0.05%
Robinson 0.18
Lake Braddock 0.30
Langley 0.30
West Springfield 0.31
McLean 0.39
Oakton 0.40
Woodson 0.42
Chantilly 0.71
Madison 0.73
Marshall 1.05
Another interesting statistic is how many students in-bounds for different high schools go to TJ. This doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the high schools, but may speak to the level of interest in TJ and the ES/MS feeders.
TJ N/A
Langley 172
McLean 161
Oakton 153
Chantilly 136
Woodson 79
Madison 64
Marshall 58
Robinson 48
Lake Braddock 37
West Springield 16
Anonymous
03/26/2016 11:14
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
At least at the high school level, people tend to look at a range of metrics. Here are the latest rankings/metrics for 11 of the more frequently discussed high schools in FCPS.
Here are different ratings/scores for some of the more frequently discussed HS in FCPS:
Great Schools
TJ 10
Marshall 9
West Springfield 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Langley 8
McLean 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
Robinson 8
Woodson 8
SAT Scores for Class of 2015
TJ 2216
McLean 1852
Langley 1851
Woodson 1810
Oakton 1792
Madison 1787
Marshall 1742
Chantilly 1728
Robinson 1728
West Springfield 1704
Lake Braddock 1692
US News Ratings - State of Virginia
TJ 1
Langley 2
Woodson 3
McLean 4
Oakton 6
Madison 7
West Springfileld 11
Robinson 13
Lake Braddock 14
Marshall 15
Chantilly 19
National Merit Semifinalists - Class of 2016
TJ 163
McLean 16
Madison 12
Oakton 7
Langley 6
Lake Braddock 5
Woodson 5
Chantilly 2
Marshall 2
Robinson 1
West Springfield 1
Washington Post - 2015 Challenge Index "E&E" Ratings (College Readiness)
TJ N/R
McLean 78.80%
Madison 72.80
Oakton 72.00
Langley 70.10
Marshall 67.50
Woodson 67.50
Robinson 62.70
Lake Braddock 57.60
West Springfield 57.50
Chantilly 53.40
2015 Virginia Board of Education "Virginia Index of Performance" Awards
Educational Excellence - Chantilly, Langley, Madison, McLean, Oakton, Robinson, TJ, West Springfield, Woodson
Distinguished Achievement - Lake Braddock
Not Recognized - Marshall
2014-15 Dropout Rates
TJ 0.05%
Robinson 0.18
Lake Braddock 0.30
Langley 0.30
West Springfield 0.31
McLean 0.39
Oakton 0.40
Woodson 0.42
Chantilly 0.71
Madison 0.73
Marshall 1.05
Here are different ratings/scores for some of the more frequently discussed HS in FCPS:
Great Schools
TJ 10
Marshall 9
West Springfield 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Langley 8
McLean 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
Robinson 8
Woodson 8
SAT Scores for Class of 2015
TJ 2216
McLean 1852
Langley 1851
Woodson 1810
Oakton 1792
Madison 1787
Marshall 1742
Chantilly 1728
Robinson 1728
West Springfield 1704
Lake Braddock 1692
US News Ratings - State of Virginia
TJ 1
Langley 2
Woodson 3
McLean 4
Oakton 6
Madison 7
West Springfileld 11
Robinson 13
Lake Braddock 14
Marshall 15
Chantilly 19
National Merit Semifinalists - Class of 2016
TJ 163
McLean 16
Madison 12
Oakton 7
Langley 6
Lake Braddock 5
Woodson 5
Chantilly 2
Marshall 2
Robinson 1
West Springfield 1
Washington Post - 2015 Challenge Index "E&E" Ratings (College Readiness)
TJ N/R
McLean 78.80%
Madison 72.80
Oakton 72.00
Langley 70.10
Marshall 67.50
Woodson 67.50
Robinson 62.70
Lake Braddock 57.60
West Springfield 57.50
Chantilly 53.40
2015 Virginia Board of Education "Virginia Index of Performance" Awards
Educational Excellence - Chantilly, Langley, Madison, McLean, Oakton, Robinson, TJ, West Springfield, Woodson
Distinguished Achievement - Lake Braddock
Not Recognized - Marshall
2014-15 Dropout Rates
TJ 0.05%
Robinson 0.18
Lake Braddock 0.30
Langley 0.30
West Springfield 0.31
McLean 0.39
Oakton 0.40
Woodson 0.42
Chantilly 0.71
Madison 0.73
Marshall 1.05
Anonymous
03/26/2016 09:19
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Anonymous wrote:Did the elementary rankings change, not noticing any difference.
Crossfield went from a 9 to an 8 and Navy went from a 10 to a 9. Oak Hill was an 8 (I believe) and is now a 9.
Anonymous
03/26/2016 08:50
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Anonymous wrote:You also need to look at SPED populations at schools. There are some students who just are not going to pass any test. Those scores are factored into overall percentages.
Very true.
There are nuances that can skew some of the ES and MS scores b/c of aap populations or special ed centers. But that doesn't apply so much to HSs. At that level esol is prob the biggest issue.....and the teaching.
Anonymous
03/26/2016 06:58
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Did the elementary rankings change, not noticing any difference.
Anonymous
03/25/2016 23:23
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
You also need to look at SPED populations at schools. There are some students who just are not going to pass any test. Those scores are factored into overall percentages.
Anonymous
03/25/2016 23:06
Subject: New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
(meant "excuse/explanation")
Anonymous
03/25/2016 23:05
Subject: New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
For those who say their schools don't spend much time prepping.... is that really an excuse, explanation? You only have to get HALF the questions right to pass. Even if your school is so upper SES that the teachers don't bother "prepping" kids, isn't it a problem if those high SES kids can't get half the questions right? Obviously many are getting half right, but "we don't bother to prep" -- that's not really an explanation.
And this goes double for any schools where the passrates are lower -- with the exception of schools where there are many language learners --- even if the population is low SES, for the love of Pete, shouldn't kids be able to get HALF of the questions right after spending at least 7-8 mos on these topics?
There's nothing wrong with "prepping" --- it means kids are actually LEARNING the material on the test. Maybe some of these teachers need to prep their kids a little more if they can't get half right.
And this goes double for any schools where the passrates are lower -- with the exception of schools where there are many language learners --- even if the population is low SES, for the love of Pete, shouldn't kids be able to get HALF of the questions right after spending at least 7-8 mos on these topics?
There's nothing wrong with "prepping" --- it means kids are actually LEARNING the material on the test. Maybe some of these teachers need to prep their kids a little more if they can't get half right.
Anonymous
03/25/2016 22:56
Subject: Re:New Great Schools ratings out and kind of surprising....
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Given the amount of time that is spent in preparation for SOL's, I would say the data point is highly relevant. PSAT/SAT scores, which are prepped for out of school, are less relevant.
Honestly, I am willing to believe that McLean, Langley, etc. do not spend much time on SOL preparation. They know their students will pass so they are moving on to other things. If their students score lower, it is probably due to some detail oriented questions that they have not studied for. So what. I actually think they are much better off taking the approach of not prepping for SOLs and spending time on higher level studies.
^^ the kids would use that as an example of " butt hurt". Just so as ya know.
NP here. Maybe the "butt hurt" is your reaction to others not thinking GS ratings are nearly as important as you do.
Funny. The the "exclusive" " desirable" " coveted" zipcode boosters are always throwing around the data... Sucks when it doesn't match up with your delusions of grandeur.
And here we go again. The huge chip-on-the-shoulder poster is back, armed with even the scantiest of "evidence" to somehow try and discredit certain schools in zip codes s/he despises. Your obsession is really pathetic.