You can do your own pledge to Allah privately

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Close your lips and don't say the part you don't like. Stand respectfully as those who do agree recite the part they agree with. It's how we function in a pluralistic society.

What's respectful is not having a pledge that represents only those citizens -- &, yes, service menbers -- who share a certain, non secular belief.

Signed,
A veteran who happens to be Christian

And if you think we could ever find a pledge that every nut case winger would be happy with, you're nuts yourself.

Which is exactly why we don't need a ridiculous pledge.

It's not "ridiculous." There are some things in the world more important than the individual's personal comfort zone -- you know, the sum is greater than the individual parts? That is the pledge to the country.

And how exactly does our country as a whole benefit by having the words "Under God" added to the original pledge? Would you shut up & accept it if your chikdren's teacher was leading then in a pledge that replaced "Under God" with "Under Allah", "Under Zeus Almighty" or "Under God, who may or may not actually exist" ?

Our country benefits when its citizens recognize and speak up for truth. "One nation under God" represents the truth of this country, as it was founded. And no, I absolutely would not tolerate any of these other examples you give, because they are not truth and in no way represent the U.S.

For one claiming to be so patriotic, your grasp of American history is sorely lacking. There is a reason why "under God" wasn't added to the pledge until the 1950s.

That's right; it was added during the red scare of '50s. Reflecting back on the history of the country, it's founding and development and what had brought the country to a leadership role in the world at that point. For someone claiming to be so brilliant, your myopic point of view is astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, my first grade DD just confirmed it for me. It's said every morning.

One nation, under God.

Actually, to be perfectly precise, it's

One nation under God.

There is no comma, thus no hesitation.

I learned that in 5th grade and still remember it to this day.

And one of the most shameful things ever done in this country. They should stick to the original pledge, which makes no reference to a deity. It's offensive.

You're welcome. Your freedom was bought and paid for by American Service Members. God goes with them into battle and back home. Yes, all God's children say it loud and proud around here. We are a very densely military and patriotic area. Welcome and ignore those among us with little faith.

And little education, I'll bet. Most highly educated people are atheists.

You are woefully mistaken. Take a look in any library at the books thoughtfully written by religious people.

I am really not mistaken. Google it and look at all the statistics. The more education a person has, the less likely they are to be religious. And the opposite. Which is not to say there aren't educated, intelligent believers. But it becomes less likely as a person becomes more educated.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, my first grade DD just confirmed it for me. It's said every morning.

One nation, under God.

Actually, to be perfectly precise, it's

One nation under God.

There is no comma, thus no hesitation.

I learned that in 5th grade and still remember it to this day.

And one of the most shameful things ever done in this country. They should stick to the original pledge, which makes no reference to a deity. It's offensive.

You're welcome. Your freedom was bought and paid for by American Service Members. God goes with them into battle and back home. Yes, all God's children say it loud and proud around here. We are a very densely military and patriotic area. Welcome and ignore those among us with little faith.

Excuse me? I don't know what service members have to do with anything here, dumbass. You sound like the worst sort off chickenhawk.

God doesn't go into battle with soldiers. God weeps when there is war. God is not on any soldier's side. Ever. God hates war.

BTW, you seem to believe "freedom" is some American thing. It's not. There are many, many other countries with equal amounts and in some cases far more freedom than the United States of America.

"We are all Christians in a dense military area" PP almost definitely lives near Ft Belvoir and doesn't speak for the rest of the area.

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Anonymous wrote:The pledge sets a tone which is good in school. It reminds the students that the flag is important. Aside from that, I can say, as a teacher, that it helps to calm the kids as the day starts in school.

The original pledge would accomplish all of these things, as well, while also adhering to the fundamental American belief of separation of church & state.

Huh? There's nothing in the constitution about separation of church and state . Church and the individual are generally placed above the state with restrictions placed on the state , not church or the individual.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g

All VA schools say the Pledge and have a moment of silence. It's no big deal really. Why make it into one?

In 20+ years I've never had a student not say the Pledge. If a student had a legitimate reason to not say it, it wouldn't be an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, my first grade DD just confirmed it for me. It's said every morning.

One nation, under God.

Actually, to be perfectly precise, it's

One nation under God.

There is no comma, thus no hesitation.

I learned that in 5th grade and still remember it to this day.

And one of the most shameful things ever done in this country. They should stick to the original pledge, which makes no reference to a deity. It's offensive.

You're welcome. Your freedom was bought and paid for by American Service Members. God goes with them into battle and back home. Yes, all God's children say it loud and proud around here. We are a very densely military and patriotic area. Welcome and ignore those among us with little faith.

And little education, I'll bet. Most highly educated people are atheists.

You are woefully mistaken. Take a look in any library at the books thoughtfully written by religious people.

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In Texas there is are two pledges, the national one and one to the state:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/ED/2/E/25/C/25.082

effing texas. we were supposed to move for family reasons, and I am more and more glad we didn't each time I see something like this.

In Texas there is are two pledges, the national one and one to the state:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/ED/2/E/25/C/25.082

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Anonymous wrote:The pledge sets a tone which is good in school. It reminds the students that the flag is important. Aside from that, I can say, as a teacher, that it helps to calm the kids as the day starts in school.

The original pledge would accomplish all of these things, as well, while also adhering to the fundamental American belief of separation of church & state.

Exactly

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Close your lips and don't say the part you don't like. Stand respectfully as those who do agree recite the part they agree with. It's how we function in a pluralistic society.

What's respectful is not having a pledge that represents only those citizens -- &, yes, service menbers -- who share a certain, non secular belief.

Signed,
A veteran who happens to be Christian

And if you think we could ever find a pledge that every nut case winger would be happy with, you're nuts yourself.

Which is exactly why we don't need a ridiculous pledge.

It's not "ridiculous." There are some things in the world more important than the individual's personal comfort zone -- you know, the sum is greater than the individual parts? That is the pledge to the country.

And how exactly does our country as a whole benefit by having the words "Under God" added to the original pledge? Would you shut up & accept it if your chikdren's teacher was leading then in a pledge that replaced "Under God" with "Under Allah", "Under Zeus Almighty" or "Under God, who may or may not actually exist" ?

Our country benefits when its citizens recognize and speak up for truth. "One nation under God" represents the truth of this country, as it was founded. And no, I absolutely would not tolerate any of these other examples you give, because they are not truth and in no way represent the U.S.

For one claiming to be so patriotic, your grasp of American history is sorely lacking. There is a reason why "under God" wasn't added to the pledge until the 1950s.

Anonymous wrote:The pledge sets a tone which is good in school. It reminds the students that the flag is important. Aside from that, I can say, as a teacher, that it helps to calm the kids as the day starts in school.

The original pledge would accomplish all of these things, as well, while also adhering to the fundamental American belief of separation of church & state.

"I know you are but what am I?"

This is how this post now sounds, just fyi

Fwiw, I am not a fan of the pledge at this point. I don't believe we actually have lived up to it, especially the liberty and justice for all part.

And yes, I want under God taken out since it was only added when we were afraid of the commies.

I don't go around crusading to have it removed from the schools or anything, but when asked, I offer my opinion.

And you guys do know that the God section of the Declaration of Independence wasn't actually some attempt to make us a theocracy or Christian nation, right? It was just a big middle finger to the king of England.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Close your lips and don't say the part you don't like. Stand respectfully as those who do agree recite the part they agree with. It's how we function in a pluralistic society.

What's respectful is not having a pledge that represents only those citizens -- &, yes, service menbers -- who share a certain, non secular belief.

Signed,
A veteran who happens to be Christian

And if you think we could ever find a pledge that every nut case winger would be happy with, you're nuts yourself.

Which is exactly why we don't need a ridiculous pledge.

It's not "ridiculous." There are some things in the world more important than the individual's personal comfort zone -- you know, the sum is greater than the individual parts? That is the pledge to the country.

And how exactly does our country as a whole benefit by having the words "Under God" added to the original pledge? Would you shut up & accept it if your chikdren's teacher was leading then in a pledge that replaced "Under God" with "Under Allah", "Under Zeus Almighty" or "Under God, who may or may not actually exist" ?

Our country benefits when its citizens recognize and speak up for truth. "One nation under God" represents the truth of this country, as it was founded. And no, I absolutely would not tolerate any of these other examples you give, because they are not truth and in no way represent the U.S.