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Because there is no such thing as safe monitored drinking for 18-21yr olds. Please tell me how you suggest doing that? People make it seem like all kids drink. I can assure you that many teens do not drink one sip of alcohol. Many do yes, but many do not. This is not a let's try it our phase before college. Then it will turn into a let's try it out before high school. You lower the age, you lower the age of that forbidden fruit.

There is no such thing as safe, monitored drinking for 18-21-year-olds? How do you know this?

Nobody is saying that all kids drink alcohol. However, as you say, many kids do drink alcohol. And people start to drink alcohol in middle school (some people), high school (more people), and college (even more people). This was true when the drinking age was 18, and it is still true now that the drinking age is 21. Lowering the drinking age to 18 again would not cause 11-year-olds to start to drink alcohol.

Also, why is it ok that a 20-year-old can legally vote, sign contracts, get married, serve in the military, and buy a gun, but not drink a beer? You haven't answered that question.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Horrible bill. I support safe, monitored drinking by 18-21 year olds in an appropriate environment. The idea that a 20 year old can serve in the military or buy a gun but not drink a beer is ludicrous.

Just to let you know the girl's Dad hosting the party was 16 at the time, not 18-21yrs old. And the notion that 18-21 drink responsibly is way off. Most European countries have 18 drinking limits and have some of the highest binge drinking for teens. And 18yr olds hang out with 13/14yr olds in the same school. Do you want your 13yr old Freshman guzzling a 6 pack with a senior?

PP, this is what the PP you're responding to said:

1. I support safe, monitored drinking by 18-21 year olds in an appropriate environment.
2. The idea that a 20 year old can serve in the military or buy a gun but not drink a beer is ludicrous.

How does your post address either of those points?

Because there is no such thing as safe monitored drinking for 18-21yr olds. Please tell me how you suggest doing that? People make it seem like all kids drink. I can assure you that many teens do not drink one sip of alcohol. Many do yes, but many do not. This is not a let's try it our phase before college. Then it will turn into a let's try it out before high school. You lower the age, you lower the age of that forbidden fruit.

Anonymous wrote:Horrible bill. I support safe, monitored drinking by 18-21 year olds in an appropriate environment. The idea that a 20 year old can serve in the military or buy a gun but not drink a beer is ludicrous.

+1

What are ways to keep it safe? Limit the # of drinks? Provide transportation?

I'd prefer that my kids learn how to drink moderately BEFORE college so they don't go nuts their freshman year with some forbidden fruit.

Anonymous wrote:YES, I'm against.

Full stop.

But are you FOR jail time for a 21-year-old who drinks a beer with their 20-year-old friend in their apartment? That's what this law would allow.

YES, I'm against.

Full stop.

When I was growing up in WV a lot of parents did this. They would have parties and let the kids drink as much as they wanted. My parents, of course, were horrified.

Just another reason why I no longer live in WV.

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible bill. I support safe, monitored drinking by 18-21 year olds in an appropriate environment. The idea that a 20 year old can serve in the military or buy a gun but not drink a beer is ludicrous.

Just to let you know the girl's Dad hosting the party was 16 at the time, not 18-21yrs old. And the notion that 18-21 drink responsibly is way off. Most European countries have 18 drinking limits and have some of the highest binge drinking for teens. And 18yr olds hang out with 13/14yr olds in the same school. Do you want your 13yr old Freshman guzzling a 6 pack with a senior?

PP, this is what the PP you're responding to said:

1. I support safe, monitored drinking by 18-21 year olds in an appropriate environment.
2. The idea that a 20 year old can serve in the military or buy a gun but not drink a beer is ludicrous.

How does your post address either of those points?

Anonymous wrote:So happy that the Maryland House of Delegates did an immediate vote and approved this bill to move forward!

The vote was by the Judicial Proceedings Committee of the Maryland Senate.

Anonymous wrote:Horrible bill. I support safe, monitored drinking by 18-21 year olds in an appropriate environment. The idea that a 20 year old can serve in the military or buy a gun but not drink a beer is ludicrous.

Just to let you know the girl's Dad hosting the party was 16 at the time, not 18-21yrs old. And the notion that 18-21 drink responsibly is way off. Most European countries have 18 drinking limits and have some of the highest binge drinking for teens. And 18yr olds hang out with 13/14yr olds in the same school. Do you want your 13yr old Freshman guzzling a 6 pack with a senior?

Horrible bill. I support safe, monitored drinking by 18-21 year olds in an appropriate environment. The idea that a 20 year old can serve in the military or buy a gun but not drink a beer is ludicrous.

So happy that the Maryland House of Delegates did an immediate vote and approved this bill to move forward!

Anonymous wrote:Ya know, this is no difference then statutory rape. Do you want a 30yr old having sex with your 12yr old? No and there is a law to protect that. Many 18yr olds have sex with 16yr olds and even though it is now illegal in the law, they aren't reporting this as rape.

The same thing applies.

But I am not sure why I am responding to Tracy and her minions who flock to these boards to defend themselves, their actions and their daughter.

I interpret this as saying, "Don't worry, the law says that they can charge anybody over 21 for giving alcohol to anybody under 21, but that won't actually happen, it will only be used for parents hosting parties." Yes?

If so, I am not reassured.

I'm also getting really, really tired of accusations that, if I don't agree with x, obviously I support people who host parties in Gaithersburg where Wootton HS students drink.

Ya know, this is no difference then statutory rape. Do you want a 30yr old having sex with your 12yr old? No and there is a law to protect that. Many 18yr olds have sex with 16yr olds and even though it is now illegal in the law, they aren't reporting this as rape.

The same thing applies.

But I am not sure why I am responding to Tracy and her minions who flock to these boards to defend themselves, their actions and their daughter.

Anonymous wrote:If this passes, and it changes parents' behavior, I bet more kids die.

American teens love to binge drink. This bill would not change that.

The problem in Potomac is not that the parents hosted a drinking party. It's that they didn't take keys.

Wrong. The kid that caused the accident ride home with a sober driver. And then got in his car. The drinking was the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:They specifically use the term "adolescent". Is a legal adult an "adolescent" or are they specifically using that term in regard to underage minors?

I think they are talking about HS teens and middle school tweens.

Here is a link to the bill: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&tab=subject3&id=hb0409&stab=01&ys=2016RS

The synopsis: Increasing the penalty for a first offense to a maximum imprisonment of 1 year or a fine not to exceed $5,000 or both for the violation of specified prohibitions relating to obtaining or furnishing alcoholic beverages to an individual under the age of 21 years or allowing an individual under the age of 21 years to possess or consume alcoholic beverages under specified circumstances; increasing penalties for a second or subsequent offense of specified violations to a maximum imprisonment of 2 years or a fine not to exceed $7,500 or both.

That is absolutely ridiculous. So a 21 year old friend who shares a 6 pack with his 20 year old buddy could be tossed in jail? Or a 21 year old guy who shares a bottle of wine with his 20 year girlfriend could be tossed in jail?

Why is that a good idea?