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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

The system you describe wasn't "designed" at all. Sure, plenty of wealthy families along with people who pretend to be wealthy are convinced they need go to overpriced schools and earn useless liberal arts degrees which do not relate to any career that allows a person to earn a living. Spoiled kids party every night, don't study, and earn poor grades. Then they complain that they can't find a job to pay off their loans. This is the result of very poor planning and counseling. It is not a guaranteed outcome.

Nobody said you had to go to a private university that costs $50,000 per year in tuition. In-state universities are very good and thousands of students come out ready for a career or post-graduate education (such as medical school which is clearly your goal for your children). You may even find you live within driving distance so your children don't have to live in the dormitories (which are expensive and hardly luxurious). Half of the students attending the University of Maryland Medical School received their undergraduate degrees from the University of Maryland.

OP here.

Many of the families we know in Northern Virgina who come from Iran and Pakistan seen their children to George Mason University. Unlike other colleges this is mostly a commuter school with a significant population of its students living at home with their parents and or in off campus apartment. They also usually hold jobs and are some of the best student I have met. They're well rounded fully functioning adults who live in the real world and go on to get great first jobs in Accounting and Finance upon graduation.

You mean like the ones who hang out in clubs, drive fast cars and get into car accidents?

GMU kids are great. Most hold some type of a part time job and live at home with their wealthy Persian family and are fully immersed in the DMV life. They graduate as fully functioning adults already integrated into the NOVA culture compared to a lot of sheletered Sorority girls from other colleges who can't start a sentence without playing with their blonde hair and saying tons of "likes" between words.

I can't believe it took me 3 pages to catch onto the fact that OP's kid was rejected by all of the Iveys + UVA, W&M and VA Tech (Engineering) and OP is having to come to terms with the humiliation of putting a GMU sticker on the Beemer.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm foreign-born as well. What boils my blood is that some (?) colleges require freshmen to live in dorms and pay through the nose for shitty food in the cafeteria. Really? College experience? Ugh.

+1. It's plain stupid. As is ending up with $100k+ in debt before you have any real work experience

You are more that welcome to attend commuter colleges. Solves all those problems.

True, except that most of those conmuter colleges are not top-notch quality, so you'd be better served attending any great public university in Canada or Europe, at very reasonable rates.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

The system you describe wasn't "designed" at all. Sure, plenty of wealthy families along with people who pretend to be wealthy are convinced they need go to overpriced schools and earn useless liberal arts degrees which do not relate to any career that allows a person to earn a living. Spoiled kids party every night, don't study, and earn poor grades. Then they complain that they can't find a job to pay off their loans. This is the result of very poor planning and counseling. It is not a guaranteed outcome.

Nobody said you had to go to a private university that costs $50,000 per year in tuition. In-state universities are very good and thousands of students come out ready for a career or post-graduate education (such as medical school which is clearly your goal for your children). You may even find you live within driving distance so your children don't have to live in the dormitories (which are expensive and hardly luxurious). Half of the students attending the University of Maryland Medical School received their undergraduate degrees from the University of Maryland.

OP here.

Many of the families we know in Northern Virgina who come from Iran and Pakistan seen their children to George Mason University. Unlike other colleges this is mostly a commuter school with a significant population of its students living at home with their parents and or in off campus apartment. They also usually hold jobs and are some of the best student I have met. They're well rounded fully functioning adults who live in the real world and go on to get great first jobs in Accounting and Finance upon graduation.

You mean like the ones who hang out in clubs, drive fast cars and get into car accidents?

GMU kids are great. Most hold some type of a part time job and live at home with their wealthy Persian family and are fully immersed in the DMV life. They graduate as fully functioning adults already integrated into the NOVA culture compared to a lot of sheletered Sorority girls from other colleges who can't start a sentence without playing with their blonde hair and saying tons of "likes" between words.

America is so much more flexible than other countries, where you are often tracked into a certain career path from high school. America allows for a lot more innovation and individuality in how you do your education.

You could go to a state school and graduate early if you can, OP. You could go to a commuter school.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

You have a rather... tenuous... grasp of the English language, so I'm guessing you got a third rate American education. But by all means send your kids back to Pakistan so that they can have an academically rigorous college experience. Smh.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

The system you describe wasn't "designed" at all. Sure, plenty of wealthy families along with people who pretend to be wealthy are convinced they need go to overpriced schools and earn useless liberal arts degrees which do not relate to any career that allows a person to earn a living. Spoiled kids party every night, don't study, and earn poor grades. Then they complain that they can't find a job to pay off their loans. This is the result of very poor planning and counseling. It is not a guaranteed outcome.

Nobody said you had to go to a private university that costs $50,000 per year in tuition. In-state universities are very good and thousands of students come out ready for a career or post-graduate education (such as medical school which is clearly your goal for your children). You may even find you live within driving distance so your children don't have to live in the dormitories (which are expensive and hardly luxurious). Half of the students attending the University of Maryland Medical School received their undergraduate degrees from the University of Maryland.

OP here.

Many of the families we know in Northern Virgina who come from Iran and Pakistan seen their children to George Mason University. Unlike other colleges this is mostly a commuter school with a significant population of its students living at home with their parents and or in off campus apartment. They also usually hold jobs and are some of the best student I have met. They're well rounded fully functioning adults who live in the real world and go on to get great first jobs in Accounting and Finance upon graduation.

You mean like the ones who hang out in clubs, drive fast cars and get into car accidents?

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

The system you describe wasn't "designed" at all. Sure, plenty of wealthy families along with people who pretend to be wealthy are convinced they need go to overpriced schools and earn useless liberal arts degrees which do not relate to any career that allows a person to earn a living. Spoiled kids party every night, don't study, and earn poor grades. Then they complain that they can't find a job to pay off their loans. This is the result of very poor planning and counseling. It is not a guaranteed outcome.

Nobody said you had to go to a private university that costs $50,000 per year in tuition. In-state universities are very good and thousands of students come out ready for a career or post-graduate education (such as medical school which is clearly your goal for your children). You may even find you live within driving distance so your children don't have to live in the dormitories (which are expensive and hardly luxurious). Half of the students attending the University of Maryland Medical School received their undergraduate degrees from the University of Maryland.

OP here.

Many of the families we know in Northern Virgina who come from Iran and Pakistan seen their children to George Mason University. Unlike other colleges this is mostly a commuter school with a significant population of its students living at home with their parents and or in off campus apartment. They also usually hold jobs and are some of the best student I have met. They're well rounded fully functioning adults who live in the real world and go on to get great first jobs in Accounting and Finance upon graduation.

But you are talking about kids who have been raised in a densely populated, highly educated area, with many colleges and universities, in homes with parents who are very invested in educating their kids. I grew up in a rural, blue collar area. Sure, there was a local college I could have commuted to. I assure you, the quality of education I would have received there (and the caliber of the students I would have taken classes with) in no way compares to George Mason.

I also have to say that it would be a dull (and disastrous) world indeed if everyone majored in accounting, finance, and pre-med.

I think you have to accept that you are coming at this issue from an entirely different perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

Since I am a strong believer in the value of a liberal arts education, I strongly disagree that general ed requirements are unnecessary. I was a political science major in college, but I also was required to take classes in other disciplines that were of interest or of use to me. I took calculus, French, sociology, and economic classes that were not required for my major. I also minored in English literature and so took classes in Shakespeare, 20th century British lit, early American lit, black American lit, modern drama, and a seminar on Faulkner. These classes contributed to my developing analytic skills, helped honed my writing skills, and sometimes were just plain fascinating. (The Faulkner seminar may have been the best class I ever took, including grad school.) These general ed classes helped make me a more educated, well-rounded person. I also was required to take 4 PE classes, in which I learned golf and archery, played soccer, and lifted weights. I don't believe those classes were a waste of my time.

Living in a dorm brought me life-long friends, coping skills, getting-along-with-others skills. I went to college 600 miles from home and was completely responsible for my own care and keeping for the first time in my life. I carefully budgeted my spending money to make sure I had enough to buy the books and supplies I needed as well as the fun I wanted. I paid my small number of bills and balanced my checking account. I cleaned my bathroom and washed my dishes. When I had medical issues, I took responsibility for going to the health center (or to the hospital when I broke my foot). In short, it was really good for me to go away from home and live at college. I had a happy family life, but taking care of yourself is another thing entirely. Had I remained at home for college, I would have continued to eat my mother's cooking and generally relied on my parents for things I was capable of doing for myself. IOW, staying home might have *delayed* my maturation process, not encouraged it.

Yes, I also had plenty of social life (though I was not involved in greek life). And that was a learning experience as well.

I graduated from college owing about $16k (in today's dollars). It was easily the best money I've spent in my life, and it was easily paid back.

Do I think children need to go away to college to get a good education and grow up? No. Do I think all children *should* go away to college? No. Do I think going away to college is worth borrowing $100k for? Absolutely not. (But borrowing some amount less than the equivalent of your expected first year salary after college can be a very reasonable investment.) Assuming no medical or other problems that require proximity to home, do I want my own kids to go away to college? Definitely yes.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

The system you describe wasn't "designed" at all. Sure, plenty of wealthy families along with people who pretend to be wealthy are convinced they need go to overpriced schools and earn useless liberal arts degrees which do not relate to any career that allows a person to earn a living. Spoiled kids party every night, don't study, and earn poor grades. Then they complain that they can't find a job to pay off their loans. This is the result of very poor planning and counseling. It is not a guaranteed outcome.

Nobody said you had to go to a private university that costs $50,000 per year in tuition. In-state universities are very good and thousands of students come out ready for a career or post-graduate education (such as medical school which is clearly your goal for your children). You may even find you live within driving distance so your children don't have to live in the dormitories (which are expensive and hardly luxurious). Half of the students attending the University of Maryland Medical School received their undergraduate degrees from the University of Maryland.

OP here.

Many of the families we know in Northern Virgina who come from Iran and Pakistan seen their children to George Mason University. Unlike other colleges this is mostly a commuter school with a significant population of its students living at home with their parents and or in off campus apartment. They also usually hold jobs and are some of the best student I have met. They're well rounded fully functioning adults who live in the real world and go on to get great first jobs in Accounting and Finance upon graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

I am not convinced you've been to college in this country. You are describing a ridiculous stereotype. All universities world-wide require students to take general education requirements. It's an important part of a well-rounded education. Even doctors need to write a well formed paragraph once in a while. Students who spend all of their free time drinking and partying do not last long before the fail out of school.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

The system you describe wasn't "designed" at all. Sure, plenty of wealthy families along with people who pretend to be wealthy are convinced they need go to overpriced schools and earn useless liberal arts degrees which do not relate to any career that allows a person to earn a living. Spoiled kids party every night, don't study, and earn poor grades. Then they complain that they can't find a job to pay off their loans. This is the result of very poor planning and counseling. It is not a guaranteed outcome.

Nobody said you had to go to a private university that costs $50,000 per year in tuition. In-state universities are very good and thousands of students come out ready for a career or post-graduate education (such as medical school which is clearly your goal for your children). You may even find you live within driving distance so your children don't have to live in the dormitories (which are expensive and hardly luxurious). Half of the students attending the University of Maryland Medical School received their undergraduate degrees from the University of Maryland.

OP, you do have the choice not to participate in US colleges if yoy feel they are so bad.

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Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

Perhaps you should start your own madrasa. Our schools have been around for a while.

Anonymous wrote:If OP wants to hold up Pakistan as the educational model for the U.S., I'm not going to stop him. However, I will also conclude that he is very ignorant and hasn't attended a decent university himself.

This is OP.

I am not foolish enough to want to hold up Pakistani Education system as the model for the U.S. We are a poor nation with a lot of issues.

As an American, I have been through the American education system as have my children and as someone who is foreign born, I am able to objectively look at the way the American higher education system is a waste most of the time.

In America college is not an institution of higher education but an "experience" where 18 year olds go into so they can play and party and socialize on their parents' dime for 4 years. Most of the curriculum for the first two years is overpriced if not downright unecessary. Students spend the first 2 years finishing up various "general ed" requirements. In a sesmester, a student takes 2 or 3 major courses and the rest of it is overpriced fluff. Classes end at around 11 am to 5pm per day. For the rest of the day the student goes and sleeps in his overpriced dormitory and then goes and partakes in unnecessary social rituals such as greek life. There are parties full of underage drinking almost every night. Some children get hurt.

So students live in this strange bubble for 4 years and then graduate with 100k in debt or more. Why can't they just take classes and live amonsgt normal people instead of being on a "campus" for 4 years?

The whole system is designed in a strange way.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm foreign-born as well. What boils my blood is that some (?) colleges require freshmen to live in dorms and pay through the nose for shitty food in the cafeteria. Really? College experience? Ugh.

+1. It's plain stupid. As is ending up with $100k+ in debt before you have any real work experience

You are more that welcome to attend commuter colleges. Solves all those problems.