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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how primary voters in both parties seem to be sick to death of the establishment and are looking to outsiders to save the country -- Sanders and Trump.

Interesting that people actually see Sanders (a career politician) as an outsider.

That is the most ironic thing in this race

Again, you guys really need to get together and agree on talking points. Is Sanders such an extremist that he could never get elected -- the premise of this thread -- or is he just another establishment politician? You can't really have it both ways.

I don't understand why he can't be both. He's been in Congress for 25 years and is arguably an established politician. His views are on the extreme left. Which of the two points do you disagree with?

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Anonymous wrote:Vote Bernie.

Can't wait for the general election and watching him get beat up by his lack of effectiveness and record in the past 25 years in Washington.

SO much bait.....

The *only* thing the GOP has in its pocket is the Christian right and some crazy Ayn Rand loyalists. Working people are feeling the Bern.

Sure they are. Just head down south for a bit. You can support your candidate without being delusional

Anonymous wrote:Vote Bernie.

Can't wait for the general election and watching him get beat up by his lack of effectiveness and record in the past 25 years in Washington.

SO much bait.....

The *only* thing the GOP has in its pocket is the Christian right and some crazy Ayn Rand loyalists. Working people are feeling the Bern.

Look, there's a good chance that the Republicans will win this regardless of who the Dem nominee is.

The Democrats would do well to focus on priorities - building up the "get-out-the-vote" machine and educating people on why a Republican in the White House would be a bad thing - along with why it's so important to regain control of the House and Senate.

Those are things they HAVE to do REGARDLESS. Bottom line is, aside from foreign policy and gun control, Clinton and Sanders aren't all that far apart on most of the other issues. Too bad the Democratic machine is instead focused on knee jerk and short term and internal battles, seemingly oblivious of the far bigger organizational hurdles and long range strategic things that they should be focusing on.

Vote Bernie.

Can't wait for the general election and watching him get beat up by his lack of effectiveness and record in the past 25 years in Washington.

SO much bait.....

Anonymous wrote:I didn't read through the entire thread, but I don't know why people are so confident Hillary Clinton can win a general election.

So many independents and moderate Republicans simply don't like her (some for irrational reasons or reasons they can't articulate, but it doesn't change the reality that they won't vote for her).

That's not a reason NOT to vote for her in the primary. But rather it just shows that that argument that you should vote for Hillary over Bernie because Bernie can't win is not a very good argument.

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I didn't read through the entire thread, but I don't know why people are so confident Hillary Clinton can win a general election.

So many independents and moderate Republicans simply don't like her (some for irrational reasons or reasons they can't articulate, but it doesn't change the reality that they won't vote for her).

That's not a reason NOT to vote for her in the primary. But rather it just shows that that argument that you should vote for Hillary over Bernie because Bernie can't win is not a very good argument.

Anonymous wrote:So the main reason I should vote for Hillary is that Sanders can't win?

Not the entire reason for me, but a damn good reason. It should be enough.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how primary voters in both parties seem to be sick to death of the establishment and are looking to outsiders to save the country -- Sanders and Trump.

Interesting that people actually see Sanders (a career politician) as an outsider.

That is the most ironic thing in this race

Listen, the DNC wants nothing more than to knock annying, white-haired, shouting, old-man Sanders out of the race. Yes, it is ironic that an old fart, a DNC outsider, and long-term independent politician is actually and GENUINELY holding the Democratic party to its own purported ideals. The reason why he is an "outsider" is because he is trying to win the Prom King crown without a Super PAC, by fighting against the vast and myriad corporate influencers who are dragging down the American economy (and by that I mean, the real-world economy that 95% of Americans experience in their every day lives). Every GOP candidate has essentially been f%cked by ALEC, and the Dems are sliding down fast. Why would they fight against a system that they've already bought into? They won't, and they're not. There is no integrity left.

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jsteele wrote:Here are the current poll averages from Real Clear Politics:

Clinton v Trump: Clinton +4.0
Clinton v Cruz: Cruz +1.0
Clinton v Rubio: Rubio +5.0

Sanders v Trump: Sanders +7.7
Sanders v Cruz: Sanders +1.5
Sanders v Rubio: Rubio +1.5


Sanders does better than Clinton in every match up. So, I think your premise may not be correct

I wouldn't be so excited about those polls yet.

+1. It's because most of those people have no idea who the hell Sanders is. Once he's been through the Republican smear machine, he'll be wet toilet paper.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how primary voters in both parties seem to be sick to death of the establishment and are looking to outsiders to save the country -- Sanders and Trump.

Interesting that people actually see Sanders (a career politician) as an outsider.

That is the most ironic thing in this race

Again, you guys really need to get together and agree on talking points. Is Sanders such an extremist that he could never get elected -- the premise of this thread -- or is he just another establishment politician? You can't really have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Tell me how Sanders as POTUS can do that.

I know he will try to find a way to do it. I don't know how. But he won't owe favors to the people corrupting the political system.

so someone can come along and promise the moon and I should believe them?

No that's what Hillary is doing.

I'm sorry, you just lost me there. The emperor has no clothes, pp

I believe Bernie because these have been issues and his concerns for a long time. He's not changing his focus based on polling, etc. He's focusing on issues he's passionate about.

That is not the case for Hillary.

Tell me how he fought for it then, because voting yea on bills others worked on and speaking in hearings for 20 years doesn't sound very revolutionary to me

It doesn't have to be revolutionary to be sincere.

The sad fact that is actually standing for something and not taking money from corporations is revolutionary in today's political system.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting how primary voters in both parties seem to be sick to death of the establishment and are looking to outsiders to save the country -- Sanders and Trump.

Interesting that people actually see Sanders (a career politician) as an outsider.

That is the most ironic thing in this race

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Tell me how Sanders as POTUS can do that.

I know he will try to find a way to do it. I don't know how. But he won't owe favors to the people corrupting the political system.

so someone can come along and promise the moon and I should believe them?

No that's what Hillary is doing.

I'm sorry, you just lost me there. The emperor has no clothes, pp

I believe Bernie because these have been issues and his concerns for a long time. He's not changing his focus based on polling, etc. He's focusing on issues he's passionate about.

That is not the case for Hillary.

Tell me how he fought for it then, because voting yea on bills others worked on and speaking in hearings for 20 years doesn't sound very revolutionary to me

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing with the establishment folks: they are invested in maintaining the status quo, in rewarding the system that got them there. So no, I do not believe that Hillary will break up the banks, take money out of politics, fight for campaign finance reform, increase the minimum wage, work for fair wages, get rid of tax loopholes for the 1%, etc.

Tell me how Sanders as POTUS can do that.

I know he will try to find a way to do it. I don't know how. But he won't owe favors to the people corrupting the political system.

so someone can come along and promise the moon and I should believe them?

No that's what Hillary is doing.

I'm sorry, you just lost me there. The emperor has no clothes, pp

I believe Bernie because these have been issues and his concerns for a long time. He's not changing his focus based on polling, etc. He's focusing on issues he's passionate about.

That is not the case for Hillary.