Anonymous
12/28/2015 12:48
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've always been naturally very thin (and tall) so this amuses me. I wonder what BMI they have set. Hopefully something reasonable like 17%.
Are you being purposely obtuse?
17% BMI is at the low/normal range. Anorexia is another story, genius.
Let me share a visual so that you can "get" the point.
So why limit it to modeling? Why not pass a law imposing jail time on anyone that falls below a BMI of 18? Also I don't think anorexia is a bigger problem than obesity. About 10,000 times as many people die from obesity-related desires. Any-skinny laws like these are passed by jealous, fat legislators.
Because we can't outlaw personal behavior. But we cannot event an industry from forcing people to starve in order to get a job.
You can't do either in the U.S. The EU law would unconditional in the U.S. under the first amendment.
No, the us airline industry had weight requirements for flight attendants up until 1990. The army has them. Certain sports have them. It's not unconstitutional because weight is not a protected class. Unless weight is used to discriminate against a certain protected class of individuals, if it relates to the job you can do it as a company. And certainly governments do it.
Again, you don't seem to realize the difference between private industries making rules and the government making rules. Equal protections does not govern what private organizations and companies can do.
Well don't model in France and you won't have a problem.
Anonymous
12/28/2015 11:50
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've always been naturally very thin (and tall) so this amuses me. I wonder what BMI they have set. Hopefully something reasonable like 17%.
Are you being purposely obtuse?
17% BMI is at the low/normal range. Anorexia is another story, genius.
Let me share a visual so that you can "get" the point.
So why limit it to modeling? Why not pass a law imposing jail time on anyone that falls below a BMI of 18? Also I don't think anorexia is a bigger problem than obesity. About 10,000 times as many people die from obesity-related desires. Any-skinny laws like these are passed by jealous, fat legislators.
Because we can't outlaw personal behavior. But we cannot event an industry from forcing people to starve in order to get a job.
You can't do either in the U.S. The EU law would unconditional in the U.S. under the first amendment.
No, the us airline industry had weight requirements for flight attendants up until 1990. The army has them. Certain sports have them. It's not unconstitutional because weight is not a protected class. Unless weight is used to discriminate against a certain protected class of individuals, if it relates to the job you can do it as a company. And certainly governments do it.
Again, you don't seem to realize the difference between private industries making rules and the government making rules. Equal protections does not govern what private organizations and companies can do.
How is there any "protection" when it's unsafe, unhealthy behaviors (anorexia and eating disorders) that are being promoted?
Anonymous
12/28/2015 09:31
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Really, OP? You're too dumb to figure this out on your own?
Overweight lawmakers want to make themselves feel better.
Anonymous
12/28/2015 09:30
Subject: Re:France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The BMI requirmen under the EU law is 18
honestly that is high for a minimum. i had a bmi of 17.5 in high school and now i'm just under 18 in my 40s. i don't diet, never been anorexic - just naturally thin, but there are plenty of women thinner than me, especially in france.
Teens have a lower normal range for BMI, so your 17.5 is not that unusual. And at a BMI of 18 you could work in the industry. There is a big difference between 17 and 18, basically the last ten pounds of fat you have left.
There are plenty of thinner women, and a bunch of them have eating disorders.
That's my point. I wasn't and am not that unusual so the minimum is set too high. Many models are teens and I would think a bmi minimum of 18 would have many of them overeating to reach it if they're naturally thin. That's not healthy either.
Anonymous
12/28/2015 09:25
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Really, OP? You're too dumb to figure this out on your own?
Anonymous
12/28/2015 02:39
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've always been naturally very thin (and tall) so this amuses me. I wonder what BMI they have set. Hopefully something reasonable like 17%.
Are you being purposely obtuse?
17% BMI is at the low/normal range. Anorexia is another story, genius.
Let me share a visual so that you can "get" the point.
So why limit it to modeling? Why not pass a law imposing jail time on anyone that falls below a BMI of 18? Also I don't think anorexia is a bigger problem than obesity. About 10,000 times as many people die from obesity-related desires. Any-skinny laws like these are passed by jealous, fat legislators.
Because we can't outlaw personal behavior. But we cannot event an industry from forcing people to starve in order to get a job.
You can't do either in the U.S. The EU law would unconditional in the U.S. under the first amendment.
No, the us airline industry had weight requirements for flight attendants up until 1990. The army has them. Certain sports have them. It's not unconstitutional because weight is not a protected class. Unless weight is used to discriminate against a certain protected class of individuals, if it relates to the job you can do it as a company. And certainly governments do it.
Again, you don't seem to realize the difference between private industries making rules and the government making rules. Equal protections does not govern what private organizations and companies can do.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 22:42
Subject: Re:France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The BMI requirmen under the EU law is 18
honestly that is high for a minimum. i had a bmi of 17.5 in high school and now i'm just under 18 in my 40s. i don't diet, never been anorexic - just naturally thin, but there are plenty of women thinner than me, especially in france.
Teens have a lower normal range for BMI, so your 17.5 is not that unusual. And at a BMI of 18 you could work in the industry. There is a big difference between 17 and 18, basically the last ten pounds of fat you have left.
There are plenty of thinner women, and a bunch of them have eating disorders.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 22:35
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've always been naturally very thin (and tall) so this amuses me. I wonder what BMI they have set. Hopefully something reasonable like 17%.
Are you being purposely obtuse?
17% BMI is at the low/normal range. Anorexia is another story, genius.
Let me share a visual so that you can "get" the point.
She looks healthier than this:
They are both unhealthy. However the anorexic's heart will give out first.
Exactly. Chances are model #1's heart will give out within a year or two or she will die from malnutrition. Model #2 has a number of decades in front of her before she faces serious medical problems from cardiovascular disease, diabetes or similar.
Is this so hard to get? Anorexia poses a pretty immediate risk of death; obesity will shorten your life but the chances that you will die in your twenties or thirties from it are close to nil.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 22:04
Subject: Re:France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The BMI requirmen under the EU law is 18
honestly that is high for a minimum. i had a bmi of 17.5 in high school and now i'm just under 18 in my 40s. i don't diet, never been anorexic - just naturally thin, but there are plenty of women thinner than me, especially in france.
Exactly what I was saying in an earlier post but some on this thread have trouble with reading comprehension.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 22:00
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I've always been naturally very thin (and tall) so this amuses me. I wonder what BMI they have set. Hopefully something reasonable like 17%.
Are you being purposely obtuse?
17% BMI is at the low/normal range. Anorexia is another story, genius.
Let me share a visual so that you can "get" the point.
She looks healthier than this:
They are both unhealthy. However the anorexic's heart will give out first.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 21:58
Subject: Re:France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Jockeys have had minimum weights since forever. No outrage.
Why do people like you not understand the difference between a standard imposed by private industry/organizations versus government laws?
Do you understand the term "occupational safety"?
BTW jockeys weights are set by the state racing commission, i.e. government.
I do understand the term occupational safety. The problem with over-regulation is that we get things like the homeless being denied donations of day-old bagels because of carb content.
There are some women that are naturally tall and gangly. Others do starve themselves. At what point is the cut-off point regarding personal choice?
Wow really? You don't know much about the industry do you? Most of the models are underage and there have been deaths and serious health issues. Guess in your world your kids would be at the coal mine for a 12 hour shift. Its Sunday, maybe you should get back to work?
It's insignificant.
"According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic"
Anorexia and bulemia? Not even in the top 100 causes of death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate
Wait, I thought this argument was about what France regulated. When did the topic become an American regulation? Perry Americans, always thinking everything revolves around them.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 21:14
Subject: Re:France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Jockeys have had minimum weights since forever. No outrage.
Why do people like you not understand the difference between a standard imposed by private industry/organizations versus government laws?
Do you understand the term "occupational safety"?
BTW jockeys weights are set by the state racing commission, i.e. government.
I do understand the term occupational safety. The problem with over-regulation is that we get things like the homeless being denied donations of day-old bagels because of carb content.
There are some women that are naturally tall and gangly. Others do starve themselves. At what point is the cut-off point regarding personal choice?
Wow really? You don't know much about the industry do you? Most of the models are underage and there have been deaths and serious health issues. Guess in your world your kids would be at the coal mine for a 12 hour shift. Its Sunday, maybe you should get back to work?
It's insignificant.
"According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic"
Anorexia and bulemia? Not even in the top 100 causes of death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate
Well modeling isn't exactly in the top 100 occupations, either. But the fact is, anorexia is a big problem within that industry.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 21:03
Subject: Re:France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Jockeys have had minimum weights since forever. No outrage.
Why do people like you not understand the difference between a standard imposed by private industry/organizations versus government laws?
Do you understand the term "occupational safety"?
BTW jockeys weights are set by the state racing commission, i.e. government.
I do understand the term occupational safety. The problem with over-regulation is that we get things like the homeless being denied donations of day-old bagels because of carb content.
There are some women that are naturally tall and gangly. Others do starve themselves. At what point is the cut-off point regarding personal choice?
Wow really? You don't know much about the industry do you? Most of the models are underage and there have been deaths and serious health issues. Guess in your world your kids would be at the coal mine for a 12 hour shift. Its Sunday, maybe you should get back to work?
It's insignificant.
"According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic"
Anorexia and bulemia? Not even in the top 100 causes of death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate[/quote
In modeling, genius bar. Seriously, read up on the industry before farting across your keyboard.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 21:00
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Anonymous wrote:Fat should be outlawed or at least be charged more for insurance
Considering that being extremely thin is more dangerous to your health, maybe not.
Anonymous
12/27/2015 19:20
Subject: France bans models that are "excessively thin"
Fat should be outlawed or at least be charged more for insurance