The way to end racial discrimination in America is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.

Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

The Yale and Princeton admissions offices don't exactly have great recent records, when you consider the whiny spitters at Yale and the students at Princeton who shouted the slogans a convicted cop killer in their occupation of the president's room.

Anonymous wrote:Its quite funny. So many white folks worried about the <5% brown people in majority white schools.

I have yet to hear a good argument against affirmative action. Most people think affirmative action means that "less qualified" minorities are purposely selected over "higher qualified" majority candidates. In theory this can happen, but in practice, its hardly the case. When it is the case, the rate of acceptance is no different then when a majority candidate with lesser scores are accepted over a superior majority candidates.

Why isn't anyone suing when this happens? I'll tell you why. Because the majority needs an enemy. Yesterday it was AAs, Jews, and hispanics. Today its all poor AAs families, Mexican immigrants, and anyone who identifies as Muslim. Whose it going to be tomorrow?

I think this is an argument against affirmative action. I've known people of all races who are smart, talented, and accomplished in their respective fields. However, as long as affirmative action stands, there will be those who question whether accomplishments were earned or whether there was a preference involved.

I recently saw a documentary that said in the not too distant future Hispanics would be the dominant ethnic group. While I'm not Hispanic, I would expect their rates of admission would be proportional and would not object to it being even higher. Some people here have argued that a merit based system could lead to a higher acceptance rate of Asians. So what? If they have worked hard to reach a higher level than their peers, they deserve more rewards. To deny them admission for fear they'll be over-represented is discrimination. (I'm not Asian either.)

I am, in fact, a member of the majority and I do not need an enemy. I don't care if you're white, black, or any color in between. You could be pea-green with purple polka dots and I wouldn't care (although I would be curious). Frankly, the whole idea of race seems arbitrary to me. If you believe in evolution, we all share a common ancestry going back to the apes. If you believe in the biblical account we all share common ancestors in Adam and Eve and more recently in Noah and his wife. Add to that millenia of migration and conquest and I think the issue of race become a lot less distinct. As for who the enemy is going to be tomorrow, it seems as noted above, that it may be a new minority, the "white folks", although it seems you've already declared us the enemy. I hope that others will be willing to look beyond the color of my skin and judge me and my children on our accomplishments.

As for the court case, I haven't studied it thoroughly, but my current understanding is that she did not meet the requirements for admission and that this was not a case where a preference came into play. She lost on her merits, or lack thereof, as was only fair.

Anonymous wrote:Its quite funny. So many white folks worried about the <5% brown people in majority white schools.

I have yet to hear a good argument against affirmative action. Most people think affirmative action means that "less qualified" minorities are purposely selected over "higher qualified" majority candidates. In theory this can happen, but in practice, its hardly the case. When it is the case, the rate of acceptance is no different then when a majority candidate with lesser scores are accepted over a superior majority candidates.

Why isn't anyone suing when this happens? I'll tell you why. Because the majority needs an enemy. Yesterday it was AAs, Jews, and hispanics. Today its all poor AAs families, Mexican immigrants, and anyone who identifies as Muslim. Whose it going to be tomorrow?

+ a million!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal but I'm so ready for affirmative action to be over.

Why, hello there, person who is not actually a liberal.

So liberals are 100% in unison on every issue? Do you kick someone out if they d are to deviate from the party line? How open-minded of you.

I don't know how you would kick someone out from something that isn't an organized group. But if you declare yourself to be something and go on to announce a belief that is in direct opposition to that group's values, then the rest of us get to call bullshit:

"I'm pro-life, but sometimes the death penalty is appropriate."
"I'm a feminist, but I think these days, men have it harder than women."
"I'm Jewish, but I think Jesus was the Messiah."
"I'm a liberal, but I don't want to deal with remedies for institutionalized racism any more."

Be careful what you wish for. The California admissions system has resulted in increased Asian admissions. Not criticizing Asians, it's a fact that has occurred after picking based on scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

Private universities may be affected and (bound) by the US Supreme Court ruling since they receive federal funds from the Federal Government unless they give up all federal funds.

I think it's time to end this racial discrimination based on race. This is shameful and unconstitutional to allow racial discrimination to continue. All citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

So what do we do about the fact that with few exceptions the standards for admissions for a white male and lower than they are for a white female. The rationale is that colleges prefer gender parity for a variety of reasons. But is that fair to girls? I think it's time to end discrimination based on gender. It is shameful. All citizens are guaranteed equal protections under the law. And please don't ask me to cite sources. Look it up yourself.

yup, and all those programs in the early grades targeting girls for success and exploding boys. That should take care of the number discrepancy in college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

Private universities may be affected and (bound) by the US Supreme Court ruling since they receive federal funds from the Federal Government unless they give up all federal funds.

I think it's time to end this racial discrimination based on race. This is shameful and unconstitutional to allow racial discrimination to continue. All citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

So what do we do about the fact that with few exceptions the standards for admissions for a white male and lower than they are for a white female. The rationale is that colleges prefer gender parity for a variety of reasons. But is that fair to girls? I think it's time to end discrimination based on gender. It is shameful. All citizens are guaranteed equal protections under the law. And please don't ask me to cite sources. Look it up yourself.

Oh please, enough all ready for the poor girls, schtick. The way boys are treated by the current public school system -- expected to be little sit in their chair being medicated little people pleasers, having recess taken away when they act up, etc. -- any break they can get on the college front is more than fair IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal but I'm so ready for affirmative action to be over.

Why, hello there, person who is not actually a liberal.

So liberals are 100% in unison on every issue? Do you kick someone out if they d are to deviate from the party line? How open-minded of you.

Anonymous wrote:So what do we do about the fact that with few exceptions the standards for admissions for a white male and lower than they are for a white female. The rationale is that colleges prefer gender parity for a variety of reasons. But is that fair to girls?

Ask the "girls" if they want to study in a majority-female institution...

Anonymous wrote:Its quite funny. So many white folks worried about the <5% brown people in majority white schools.

I have yet to hear a good argument against affirmative action. Most people think affirmative action means that "less qualified" minorities are purposely selected over "higher qualified" majority candidates. In theory this can happen, but in practice, its hardly the case. When it is the case, the rate of acceptance is no different then when a majority candidate with lesser scores are accepted over a superior majority candidates.

Why isn't anyone suing when this happens? I'll tell you why. Because the majority needs an enemy. Yesterday it was AAs, Jews, and hispanics. Today its all poor AAs families, Mexican immigrants, and anyone who identifies as Muslim. Whose it going to be tomorrow?

PP here. I forgot to note, I speak from much experience on admissions. In my career, I have worked and/or consulted with over 300 colleges and universities in admissions. This does include virtually all of your precious Ivy league schools.

Its quite funny. So many white folks worried about the <5% brown people in majority white schools.

I have yet to hear a good argument against affirmative action. Most people think affirmative action means that "less qualified" minorities are purposely selected over "higher qualified" majority candidates. In theory this can happen, but in practice, its hardly the case. When it is the case, the rate of acceptance is no different then when a majority candidate with lesser scores are accepted over a superior majority candidates.

Why isn't anyone suing when this happens? I'll tell you why. Because the majority needs an enemy. Yesterday it was AAs, Jews, and hispanics. Today its all poor AAs families, Mexican immigrants, and anyone who identifies as Muslim. Whose it going to be tomorrow?

Yes, in your mind. Just ignore facts. Do you have any idea about the percentage of minorities at top colleges. As opposed to athletes , legacies and international students.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

Private universities may be affected and (bound) by the US Supreme Court ruling since they receive federal funds from the Federal Government unless they give up all federal funds.

I think it's time to end this racial discrimination based on race. This is shameful and unconstitutional to allow racial discrimination to continue. All citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

So what do we do about the fact that with few exceptions the standards for admissions for a white male and lower than they are for a white female. The rationale is that colleges prefer gender parity for a variety of reasons. But is that fair to girls? I think it's time to end discrimination based on gender. It is shameful. All citizens are guaranteed equal protections under the law. And please don't ask me to cite sources. Look it up yourself.

Depends on the criteria used. Grades? Yes. SAT scores? No. In any case, the differences are slight compared to racial preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless the outcome, private colleges like Harvard, Princeton, etc, will continue holistic admissions. Good for them.

Private universities may be affected and (bound) by the US Supreme Court ruling since they receive federal funds from the Federal Government unless they give up all federal funds.

I think it's time to end this racial discrimination based on race. This is shameful and unconstitutional to allow racial discrimination to continue. All citizens are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

So what do we do about the fact that with few exceptions the standards for admissions for a white male and lower than they are for a white female. The rationale is that colleges prefer gender parity for a variety of reasons. But is that fair to girls? I think it's time to end discrimination based on gender. It is shameful. All citizens are guaranteed equal protections under the law. And please don't ask me to cite sources. Look it up yourself.