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Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

Guy here, when I was single, "hi" and "how's it going" were my go-to opening lines and were often successful. But I was mostly approaching women who, seconds prior, had been making flirty eye contact. I think some guys are under the impression from movies that you're supposed to approach a woman who shows no interest in you and "woo" her. That's how it works some of the time but more commonly you are approaching a woman who has demonstrated some interest, either in previous conversations or eyes or body languge or you heard from a mutual friend etc. In those cases "hi" and a smile will usually result in a conversation and a future meet-up...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing about the PUA bullshit is that it starts from a place where women are not considered to be individual human beings worth respect. They're not designed to build relationships with other people. They're designed to achieve sexual satisfaction or external validation.

Men who internalize these messages objectify women. They have a "manual" of techniques that will work on "women." It doesn't even matter who the target is, as long as she's an attractive female - and it's ALWAYS an attractive female. They're not interested in fat women or plain women, except insofar as those women may be more receptive even to disrespectful attention because they don't get a lot of attention.

Then when this strategy doesn't work, they talk about how bitchy attractive women are, how they just judge men by their looks and their bank accounts, how they're misunderstood and wronged.

Yep. And they say things like, "Women are too picky. They go for only attractive guys when a nice guy is right there in front of them."

Meanwhile, they usually are pursuing the very traditionally attractive women, never even sparing a thought for women who are not conventionally attractive or overweight. So it's the hypocritical mess.

Anonymous wrote:The thing about the PUA bullshit is that it starts from a place where women are not considered to be individual human beings worth respect. They're not designed to build relationships with other people. They're designed to achieve sexual satisfaction or external validation.

Men who internalize these messages objectify women. They have a "manual" of techniques that will work on "women." It doesn't even matter who the target is, as long as she's an attractive female - and it's ALWAYS an attractive female. They're not interested in fat women or plain women, except insofar as those women may be more receptive even to disrespectful attention because they don't get a lot of attention.

Then when this strategy doesn't work, they talk about how bitchy attractive women are, how they just judge men by their looks and their bank accounts, how they're misunderstood and wronged.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

Guy here, when I was single, "hi" and "how's it going" were my go-to opening lines and were often successful. But I was mostly approaching women who, seconds prior, had been making flirty eye contact. I think some guys are under the impression from movies that you're supposed to approach a woman who shows no interest in you and "woo" her. That's how it works some of the time but more commonly you are approaching a woman who has demonstrated some interest, either in previous conversations or eyes or body languge or you heard from a mutual friend etc. In those cases "hi" and a smile will usually result in a conversation and a future meet-up...

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

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Anonymous wrote:Bravo to the bisexual PP. But do you really think your situation is the same? Are the women you approach aware at the time that you're interested in them sexually? Or do you drop that bomb later, after you've approached them in a non-threatening manner? Most women are inherently kind to other women until they see them as competition. Their defenses are much higher with guys (imo).

Um, no I make it clear. I'm hardly "dropping a bomb" anyway.

I think if most people treated women as I treat them, as in respectfully, friendly, smoothly- they would get the number.

it's when you start doing weird shit like trying to subtly insult someone that most people realize you have some issues

Anonymous wrote:Bravo to the bisexual PP. But do you really think your situation is the same? Are the women you approach aware at the time that you're interested in them sexually? Or do you drop that bomb later, after you've approached them in a non-threatening manner? Most women are inherently kind to other women until they see them as competition. Their defenses are much higher with guys (imo).

Anonymous wrote:Women's magazines: "Men suck. Here's how to get yours."

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.