Anonymous wrote:Tyler is an absolute shit show, but this video isn't evidence of that. A) you mess it up, you clean it. I don't have a problem with this. B) the description on the youtube video is potentially libelous, and just makes the whole thing less credible. C) I don't even see the teacher in question on this video.

If the Tyler teacher is reading this: your union fees entitle you to free legal help. Call them re: the libel in the youtube description. (If it's not true, that is - please god tell me you're not stupid enough to sleep with the principal)

This +1

Clearly the anonymous YouTube poster is pissed about something other than corporal punishment. Way to go Fox 5.

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Anonymous wrote:If my child threw food as part of a food fight and was told to clean it up and was given appropriate tools to do it (i.e. mop, brooms) I would have no problem with it.

But they were not given the tools. They were crawling on hands and knees. Therein lies the rub.

But if its cool for you all- then just sit back. I will look for your champion responses when its white kids on a video.

If you are looking for a racist person you should look at yourself in the mirror. I did not originally look at the video in the link but just read the posts. I thought that merely making the kids clean up the mess they made by throwing food was certainly not corporal punishment (when I opened the thread I thought the issue was a teacher spanking or hitting kids), even if the kids have to go on their knees to do it (I do it all the time when I had to pick up food after my kids eat when they were little, and I still have to do it sometimes - my kids do it too at home, I often ask them to pick up the bigger pieces of food because we vacuum under the dining table, it is called "cleaning after yourself", not corporal punishment). I had no idea about the color of the kids and frankly it did not even cross my mind, if I think the punishment is appropriate, then is appropriate no matter of the color of the kids. if my white kids start a food fight a school and trash the cafeteria I would be livid for the behavior, the waste of food, the lack of respect for the cleaning people at school. After your post I looked at the video and while you barely see the kids, what I really noticed is that these are not little pre-keiers who got carried away, they look like big kids who should have really known better. In short, they had to pick up the mess, no abuse, if my white kids did that at school I would be ok with it and I would also punish them at home.

The responses to OP have restored a little bit of my faith in humanity. Ha!

Tyler is an absolute shit show, but this video isn't evidence of that. A) you mess it up, you clean it. I don't have a problem with this. B) the description on the youtube video is potentially libelous, and just makes the whole thing less credible. C) I don't even see the teacher in question on this video.

If the Tyler teacher is reading this: your union fees entitle you to free legal help. Call them re: the libel in the youtube description. (If it's not true, that is - please god tell me you're not stupid enough to sleep with the principal)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my child threw food as part of a food fight and was told to clean it up and was given appropriate tools to do it (i.e. mop, brooms) I would have no problem with it.

But they were not given the tools. They were crawling on hands and knees. Therein lies the rub.

But if its cool for you all- then just sit back. I will look for your champion responses when its white kids on a video.

Thread backfire.

The principal and teacher deserve an A+ for setting an appropriate punishment and following through on it. Better that they learn now instead of when they come into contact with the justice system.

There is nothing a 60 pound elementary school student can do with an industrial mop except spill more water on the floor...they are way too heavy.

And yes, I am AA as well.

Anonymous wrote:If you do a search for Tyler, you'll see posts from me and others regarding how awful Tyler was. The punishment that was on the video was not a one-off. Probably the person who made the video was fed up with seeing children treated like this day in and day out.

It's possible that actual mistreatment of children was going on at the school--but making kids clean up the mess they made is a terrible example.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my child threw food as part of a food fight and was told to clean it up and was given appropriate tools to do it (i.e. mop, brooms) I would have no problem with it.

But they were not given the tools. They were crawling on hands and knees. Therein lies the rub.

But if its cool for you all- then just sit back. I will look for your champion responses when its white kids on a video.

I crawl on hands and knees when I clean my kitchen floor. I am totally against corporal punishment but all for natural consequences, which this appears to be. (Do your kids really not crawl around on their hands and knees at home? I mean, mine are always pretending to be horses or kittens or something.)

This. If they were on the floor, picking up the food they threw, I don't see anything wrong with it. They weren't being made to clean up random rooms, they were being made to clean up the mess that they themselves made. If they were embarrassed, well, they should be. They made a giant mess that they expected someone else to clean up. You don't sweep up a pile of spaghetti with a broom--you have to get on the floor and pick it up.

I am totally against corporal punishment, but I think of that as hitting, spanking, etc. Not cleaning up the mess you made.

Seriously, I don't think any rational adult watching this video would say these children are being abused. Every child in the damn school should be given some sort of cleaning duty at least once a week. INCLUDING hands and knees. You're all raising a pampered, coddled, disrespectful generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo0phnh-kA&app=desktop

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Anonymous wrote:So having kids crawl around on the floor hands/knees is legit with you all?

If your kids were in this video you would be ok with it?

I would, definitely. If my kids were involved in a food fight at school, then they should clean it up. Hands and knees is the best way, because then you learn exactly what it takes to clean up and why you shouldn't be making messes like that in the first place.

Amen! I bet they'll think twice about throwing food again.

Anonymous wrote:So having kids crawl around on the floor hands/knees is legit with you all?

If your kids were in this video you would be ok with it?

I would, definitely. If my kids were involved in a food fight at school, then they should clean it up. Hands and knees is the best way, because then you learn exactly what it takes to clean up and why you shouldn't be making messes like that in the first place.

My kids (4 and 18 months) clean the floor under the table on their hands and knees every day as part of mealtime clean-up. It's not punishment -- it's how you make sure the floor is clean. I'm on my hands and knees afterward cleaning up whatever they missed. I'm not understanding what the problem is here.

White mom who makes her kids take a rag and clean up the floor immediately when they spill something. Would make them clean kitchen floor every day for a week if they threw food deliberately (they are ES age). The school doesn't have enough mops or brooms for a whole class and the kids would make a bigger mess anyway with industrial size equipment. Absolutely nothing wrong with this.

Boy maybe this is my Catholic school background but this seems fine. When I was in grade school before we left we all got on our hands and knees and cleaned the floor of any scraps and bits by hand. Wasn't my favorite part of the day but I wasn't humiliated -- it was considered part of our responsibility to leave the room spotless when we left.

If you do a search for Tyler, you'll see posts from me and others regarding how awful Tyler was. The punishment that was on the video was not a one-off. Probably the person who made the video was fed up with seeing children treated like this day in and day out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my child threw food as part of a food fight and was told to clean it up and was given appropriate tools to do it (i.e. mop, brooms) I would have no problem with it.

But they were not given the tools. They were crawling on hands and knees. Therein lies the rub.

But if its cool for you all- then just sit back. I will look for your champion responses when its white kids on a video.

I crawl on hands and knees when I clean my kitchen floor. I am totally against corporal punishment but all for natural consequences, which this appears to be. (Do your kids really not crawl around on their hands and knees at home? I mean, mine are always pretending to be horses or kittens or something.)