Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"What kind of lying" should be addressed, in addition to "What is lying?"
Your own truth is based on your perception. A kid with ADHD has difficulty in the intake of information. If information comes in warped and garbled and they act based on that warped perception, then how can you call it lying?
I have an older brother who lied all the time.
Now that I have an ADHD kid, I have come to the realization that my brother probably has undiagnosed ADHD.
Not being able to deal with ADHD from that person's perspective really ruins relationships.
Take, for a recent example:
My brother was at our cousin's brand-new house, checking out her brand-new stove.
He decides he'd turn the knob on the stove. He broke it.
We all jumped on him. What the hell are you doing? What the hell are you thinking? He said "I just turned it and it did that. It must have been defective"
We say- of course it's not defective. You are lying. You must have done something on purpose to break it. Now why would you do such a thing?
Moods ruined. Relationships strained. My brother doesn't understand why people are upset at him because it wasn't his intention to break the knob.
Now that I've done so much reading on ADHD, symptoms, and just other "stuff" that happens around it, I've realized these possibilities:
My brother has issues with impulse control. He turned the knob without thinking.
My brother has issues with brain-body connection. His hand doesn't accurately receive the signal from his brain on how much pressure to put on something. Perhaps this is why he breaks things all the time.
My brother's "lies" are based on his perception- He only turned the knob. I didn't do anything wrong. It broke. Why are people mad at me?
Then there's the short term memory issue. Next time he comes over to my cousin's house, he would have forgotten that he broke the knob and he'll do the same thing again.
This is the same thing that was happening with my child. We were getting angry at her for not being able to control her impulses.
My child is medicated. My brother is not. My child has shown huge improvement with being able to control her impulses, but what has helped a lot more, is that I understand what "lying" may be. It's lying to us, but it's not to them. So it really depends on what you are calling lying.
In our house now, we do not ever accuse anyone of lying. It puts people at a defensive state. Instead, we talk about what may have happened.
Here's what I don't get. Someone fidgets with a stove knob and the stove knob breaks. This is an accident. Make it easy for that person to apologize. You don't jump on them for "lying" or ask that person "what the hell were you thinking?" You make it easy for them to save face. An accident is an accident. WTF? Yes, fidgeting is immature. But what do you get out of a group of people jumping on a grown man and interrogating him? What do you expect to happen in this situation? This is an insane family dynamic.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you asking this forum, and not your pediatrician?
Who says I didn't ask my pediatrician? My pediatrician's answer was not definitive and not helpful. My psychiatrists answer differs from the psychologists answer and that differs from the principal's answer. Thus, I am confused and seeking the opinion of other parents in similar circumstances.
Because all you'll get are anecdotal yeses and nos from laypeople who may or may not be accurately "diagnosing" this behavior or lack of it in their kids. You might even be getting posters responding who don't have ADHD kids who say "yes, that's a symptom of ADHD" or "no, it's not."
Maybe get other medical opinions...
Already working on it. Meanwhile, I still value the opinion of parents with similar circumstances.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you asking this forum, and not your pediatrician?
Who says I didn't ask my pediatrician? My pediatrician's answer was not definitive and not helpful. My psychiatrists answer differs from the psychologists answer and that differs from the principal's answer. Thus, I am confused and seeking the opinion of other parents in similar circumstances.
Because all you'll get are anecdotal yeses and nos from laypeople who may or may not be accurately "diagnosing" this behavior or lack of it in their kids. You might even be getting posters responding who don't have ADHD kids who say "yes, that's a symptom of ADHD" or "no, it's not."
Maybe get other medical opinions...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you asking this forum, and not your pediatrician?
Who says I didn't ask my pediatrician? My pediatrician's answer was not definitive and not helpful. My psychiatrists answer differs from the psychologists answer and that differs from the principal's answer. Thus, I am confused and seeking the opinion of other parents in similar circumstances.
Anonymous wrote:"What kind of lying" should be addressed, in addition to "What is lying?"
Your own truth is based on your perception. A kid with ADHD has difficulty in the intake of information. If information comes in warped and garbled and they act based on that warped perception, then how can you call it lying?
I have an older brother who lied all the time.
Now that I have an ADHD kid, I have come to the realization that my brother probably has undiagnosed ADHD.
Not being able to deal with ADHD from that person's perspective really ruins relationships.
Take, for a recent example:
My brother was at our cousin's brand-new house, checking out her brand-new stove.
He decides he'd turn the knob on the stove. He broke it.
We all jumped on him. What the hell are you doing? What the hell are you thinking? He said "I just turned it and it did that. It must have been defective"
We say- of course it's not defective. You are lying. You must have done something on purpose to break it. Now why would you do such a thing?
Moods ruined. Relationships strained. My brother doesn't understand why people are upset at him because it wasn't his intention to break the knob.
Now that I've done so much reading on ADHD, symptoms, and just other "stuff" that happens around it, I've realized these possibilities:
My brother has issues with impulse control. He turned the knob without thinking.
My brother has issues with brain-body connection. His hand doesn't accurately receive the signal from his brain on how much pressure to put on something. Perhaps this is why he breaks things all the time.
My brother's "lies" are based on his perception- He only turned the knob. I didn't do anything wrong. It broke. Why are people mad at me?
Then there's the short term memory issue. Next time he comes over to my cousin's house, he would have forgotten that he broke the knob and he'll do the same thing again.
This is the same thing that was happening with my child. We were getting angry at her for not being able to control her impulses.
My child is medicated. My brother is not. My child has shown huge improvement with being able to control her impulses, but what has helped a lot more, is that I understand what "lying" may be. It's lying to us, but it's not to them. So it really depends on what you are calling lying.
In our house now, we do not ever accuse anyone of lying. It puts people at a defensive state. Instead, we talk about what may have happened.
Anonymous wrote:Why are you asking this forum, and not your pediatrician?
Anonymous wrote:OP how old is the child?