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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

I would be disinclined to give much weight to the thoughts of someone who is bitching about Brent being full of rich white kids. Picking one school over another based on a simplistic metric such as overall DCCAS scores from one year (2013-14) is also among some of the dumbest advice I've seen on DCUM. Setting aside the fact that testing cohorts vary year to year, you also would need to drill down into how each grade and racial subgroup performed to try and draw anything approaching a meaningful conclusion, if you're so inclined. I happen to think it's a waste of time and energy. As for the "diversity" issue, Brent and LT are approximate mirror images of one another. Brent is roughly 70 percent white and 20 percent AA, while Ludlow is roughly 70 percent black and 20 percent white. So which is more "diverse" under this myopic metric. Both are good schools that continue to improve and implying one or the other is mediocre is a sign of dishonesty, lack of intelligence or possibly both.

My concern is not so much diversity but rather expectations. It's not about LT having slightly better test scores last year and Brenr having better year before. Brent has a whopping 11% FARM population and barely has test scores in the low 70s. LT is Title 1 with slightly better scores. I know many people don't put too much weight on scores but when schools like Stoddert, Key, Mann, Murch etc have similar FARM population and has scores 20 points higher. That is not minimal. Don't people want to know what's going on at Brent (or what's not going on)? It's quite alarming no matter how you look at it.

Your purported concern about expectations at Brent is interesting but based on misinformation. Test scores for 2013-14 weren't barely in the low 70s unless you fail to account for kids testing as advanced. It would indeed be remarkable if schools like Stoddart, Key and Mann - or any school for that matter - was testing at or above 100 percent.

Brent parents and those still paying eomething of a premium to move in-bound despite the current middle school situation know exactly what is going on in the school. It's the reason there's a PK waiting list for in-bound siblings this year. I'm sorry you find any of this so mysterious. But please, do us all a favor and take your perverse agenda somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

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do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

Potomac Gardens is the biggest boogeyman on the Hill -- I hear Hill-O-Ween is going to be in the PG courtyard this year so white folk can feel more authentically scared.

Good to hear crime is just another urban legend. I'm looking forward to the Snopes explanation of the data patterns on the MPD Crime Map.

What makes you assume it's committed most (or at all) by the residents of stable Hill public housing? Does every criminal shit where they eat?

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

I find Brent parents intriguing. They vacillate between being upset that they don't feed into SH and taking shots at SH. I think the overarching mentality seems to be that SH isn't a good school, but they should let Brent feed into it because just having Brent would make it better. And then some Brent parents speak of Latin and Basis as if they have a birthright to those schools. But here's what I find interesting: as Maury has approached or matched Brent and as LT has come up strong and JO has started to move in the right direction, Brent parents seem almost threatened. And that makes no sense to me. Why wouldn't a stronger school system benefit everyone? What's the thought process? You like being the only option? That feels good to you? Or is it that if LT and JO (and hopefully Watkins) continue along their trajectories that SH will become a strong MS option, which will make you feel somehow less special?

Seriously, help me out here. Why would Brent parents hate on other schools. I know others hate on Brent out of jealousy, that makes sense to me. But what's the Brent though process? Is it a childish reflex that "s/he hit me first?

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

I would be disinclined to give much weight to the thoughts of someone who is bitching about Brent being full of rich white kids. Picking one school over another based on a simplistic metric such as overall DCCAS scores from one year (2013-14) is also among some of the dumbest advice I've seen on DCUM. Setting aside the fact that testing cohorts vary year to year, you also would need to drill down into how each grade and racial subgroup performed to try and draw anything approaching a meaningful conclusion, if you're so inclined. I happen to think it's a waste of time and energy. As for the "diversity" issue, Brent and LT are approximate mirror images of one another. Brent is roughly 70 percent white and 20 percent AA, while Ludlow is roughly 70 percent black and 20 percent white. So which is more "diverse" under this myopic metric. Both are good schools that continue to improve and implying one or the other is mediocre is a sign of dishonesty, lack of intelligence or possibly both.

My concern is not so much diversity but rather expectations. It's not about LT having slightly better test scores last year and Brenr having better year before. Brent has a whopping 11% FARM population and barely has test scores in the low 70s. LT is Title 1 with slightly better scores. I know many people don't put too much weight on scores but when schools like Stoddert, Key, Mann, Murch etc have similar FARM population and has scores 20 points higher. That is not minimal. Don't people want to know what's going on at Brent (or what's not going on)? It's quite alarming no matter how you look at it.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Is Whole Foods also coming to Eastern Market?

it is coming to New Jersey Avenue SE, just south of the expressway.

I can't honestly speak to either school, but I can say that I really like the principal at JO Wilson, Heidi Hagerty. I think it would be worth your time to meet with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

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do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

Potomac Gardens is the biggest boogeyman on the Hill -- I hear Hill-O-Ween is going to be in the PG courtyard this year so white folk can feel more authentically scared.

Good to hear crime is just another urban legend. I'm looking forward to the Snopes explanation of the data patterns on the MPD Crime Map.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

....

do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

Potomac Gardens is the biggest boogeyman on the Hill -- I hear Hill-O-Ween is going to be in the PG courtyard this year so white folk can feel more authentically scared.

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Anonymous wrote:to the OP. I think the original choice would have to be yours just tour both schools. My DS has been attending JO Wilson since last year and is now into his 2nd year, and yes I played the lottery for Ludlow Taylor and he got in but after a week of careful thought and understanding my child I decided to keep him where he is..... and is there any regrets....DEFINITELY NOT!!! He is learning alot and I love his teacher. A child would learn in any capacity given the right instructor and along with the parents.

Is your child in pK? If so, that's far removed from laying the groundwork for serious academics three four years down the road.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

....

do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

Potomac Gardens is the biggest boogeyman on the Hill -- I hear Hill-O-Ween is going to be in the PG courtyard this year so white folk can feel more authentically scared.

to the OP. I think the original choice would have to be yours just tour both schools. My DS has been attending JO Wilson since last year and is now into his 2nd year, and yes I played the lottery for Ludlow Taylor and he got in but after a week of careful thought and understanding my child I decided to keep him where he is..... and is there any regrets....DEFINITELY NOT!!! He is learning alot and I love his teacher. A child would learn in any capacity given the right instructor and along with the parents.

Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

If you want a cheaper house with a big yard and huge middle school you might as well find a better one in Bethesda or McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Yes, it's true. You might be able to shop at either OOB for a little while, but with the number of sibs in the Brent district, I wouldn't count on it for long.

The Brent PTA has actually started a petition to stop WF and TJ from taking WIC. They want to eliminate FARMS kids at the start.

The system used wotp works well for this

Gloverpark WF: For the JKLM wannabe's
Tenleytown WF: For those pesky OOB that keep showing up
Friendship Heights WF: For the inbound, since you always need some extra shopping bling to keep up with the other moms

....

do Tyler and Watkins get proximity preference to TJ? They are both closer to the Hine site than Brent

Potomac Gardens kids get first dibs on customers walking eastbound on Pennsylsvania Avenue.

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

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Anonymous wrote:Brent is a school full of rich white kids yet the scores are mediocre. There is also no middle school path. I would not listen to anyone that tells you to rely on Basis/Latin as those schools will be hard to get into by the time your LO reaches middle. For the same price or cheaper, you can move in Deal feeder. If you insist, I would pick LT for the diversity and better scores.

Greater "diversity" at LT than Brent? If you mean more low-income AA kids proportionately, yes, of course. If you mean more socioeconomic, international and racial diversity, absolutely not.

My kid's class at Brent has four or five AA kids, several kids of Asian descent (one of whom speaks beautiful Chinese), a Latina (who speaks Spanish at home), and several European kids (who speak European languages at home; their parents work for international organizations with DC HQs, e.g. the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund). In LT for ECE, we didn't see that sort of diversity, far from it.

Who cares about the silly test scores? In-boundary parents vote with their feet: Brent is more than half in-boundary, while LT is around 20%.

LT doesn't really have a MS path either, unless you're OK with Stuart Hobson (with a student body that's less than 10% high SES/white in a catchment area that's at least two-third high SES/white in 2015).

I would be disinclined to give much weight to the thoughts of someone who is bitching about Brent being full of rich white kids. Picking one school over another based on a simplistic metric such as overall DCCAS scores from one year (2013-14) is also among some of the dumbest advice I've seen on DCUM. Setting aside the fact that testing cohorts vary year to year, you also would need to drill down into how each grade and racial subgroup performed to try and draw anything approaching a meaningful conclusion, if you're so inclined. I happen to think it's a waste of time and energy. As for the "diversity" issue, Brent and LT are approximate mirror images of one another. Brent is roughly 70 percent white and 20 percent AA, while Ludlow is roughly 70 percent black and 20 percent white. So which is more "diverse" under this myopic metric. Both are good schools that continue to improve and implying one or the other is mediocre is a sign of dishonesty, lack of intelligence or possibly both.

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Anonymous wrote:Forgot to add that Brent and Ludlow are a little over a mile apart, with Brent in SE and Ludlow in NE. Plenty of threads discussing both schools can be found, along with helpful info and misinfo. Please take the time to tour both schools and talk with teachers and parents.

BTW, us [b]Brent folks will be getting our own Trader Noes and nearby Whole Foods in 2017 and we're within walking distance of the National Mall, Smithsonian Museums, Nationals Park, Yards Park and the Canal Park Skating Rink. Brent is two blocks from the Capitol South Metro (OR, BL, Sv) and close to some great family-friendly restaurants.

Wow. I had no idea that TJ and WF were being built exclusively for the Brent crowd!

Is Whole Foods also coming to Eastern Market?