Anonymous
09/03/2015 13:35
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I find myself unable to harbor any real anger toward him. He never had a chance. He was raised in a distorted, repressive environment where all the controls about how to behave as a good person were imposed externally. Then he was married off young to a nice woman who was equally raised to never contradict him. Yes, he majorly screwed up, but every time he makes a mistake he gets the worst possible forms of advice and "support" and he's been brought up so stuck inside this bubble that he can't even see it.
I used to think the Duggars were so wholesome and nice, just a little more wackadoo religious than I was comfortable with, but then I learned more about Quiverfull and Bill Gothard and how twisted their system really is and now it's just sickening. I hope some of those kids can get out of it.
I disagree. Lots of people grow up in distorted, very religious environments, and never end up molesting anyone, or cheating on their spouses, or being a complete hypocrite.
I'd feel more sympathy if he decided to live a private life after getting married, but Josh chose to be public. He chose to be work for what's essentially a hate-group. He chose to be a complete hypocrite in his public vs. personal life, and he chose to negatively affect the personal lives of others via laws & public policy in his hate-filled campaigns.
He has lived a very privileged, non-sheltered life. He has had the options to choose differently, since becoming an adult and leaving the Duggar compound. He knows he has other options (regarding choices, therapies, etc), but he's chosen differently. I don't think he's that naive.
I hope he moves forward and makes more compassionate & healthy choices in his life, but I don't feel sorry for Josh Duggar - much in the same way that I don't feel sorry for the Ted Haggards, Aaron Shocks, and other royal hypocrites of the world.
he was not brought up in a religious home, he was brought up in a CULT, big difference.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 13:34
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I find myself unable to harbor any real anger toward him. He never had a chance. He was raised in a distorted, repressive environment where all the controls about how to behave as a good person were imposed externally. Then he was married off young to a nice woman who was equally raised to never contradict him. Yes, he majorly screwed up, but every time he makes a mistake he gets the worst possible forms of advice and "support" and he's been brought up so stuck inside this bubble that he can't even see it.
I used to think the Duggars were so wholesome and nice, just a little more wackadoo religious than I was comfortable with, but then I learned more about Quiverfull and Bill Gothard and how twisted their system really is and now it's just sickening. I hope some of those kids can get out of it.
Well said.
+10000000000000000 and I say this as a devout Christian who believes folks are in a cult that twists and perverts Scripture. Those kids do not have a chance in that environment.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 13:27
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
This has been my issue with the Duggars from the start:
JimBob and Michelle were raised in religious, but not fundie, homes. They got to cheerlead, attend school and college, take birth control and all sorts of normal things. Then they CHOSE a life of fundamentalism and restriction. One can argue that they rebelled against how their were raised and found another way they were happier with. How can they not see that their children should be allowed to make the same choices and privileges that they had? Why aren't their own children allowed to find their own path?
JimBob and Michelle were raised in religious, but not fundie, homes. They got to cheerlead, attend school and college, take birth control and all sorts of normal things. Then they CHOSE a life of fundamentalism and restriction. One can argue that they rebelled against how their were raised and found another way they were happier with. How can they not see that their children should be allowed to make the same choices and privileges that they had? Why aren't their own children allowed to find their own path?
Anonymous
09/03/2015 13:23
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Jessa's FIL is kind of hot?
Yes.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 13:17
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Am I the only one who thinks Jessa's FIL is kind of hot?
Anonymous
09/03/2015 12:57
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Apparently Josh's whereabouts are unknown, and he may be missing. He hasn't been showing up to his (bs) rehab program.
Interesting! I hadn't seen/heard this. I only enjoy reading/keeping up on this storyline b/c I do enjoy a fallen Christian having to eat crow...
Anonymous
09/03/2015 12:53
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I find myself unable to harbor any real anger toward him. He never had a chance. He was raised in a distorted, repressive environment where all the controls about how to behave as a good person were imposed externally. Then he was married off young to a nice woman who was equally raised to never contradict him. Yes, he majorly screwed up, but every time he makes a mistake he gets the worst possible forms of advice and "support" and he's been brought up so stuck inside this bubble that he can't even see it.
I used to think the Duggars were so wholesome and nice, just a little more wackadoo religious than I was comfortable with, but then I learned more about Quiverfull and Bill Gothard and how twisted their system really is and now it's just sickening. I hope some of those kids can get out of it.
I disagree. Lots of people grow up in distorted, very religious environments, and never end up molesting anyone, or cheating on their spouses, or being a complete hypocrite.
I'd feel more sympathy if he decided to live a private life after getting married, but Josh chose to be public. He chose to be work for what's essentially a hate-group. He chose to be a complete hypocrite in his public vs. personal life, and he chose to negatively affect the personal lives of others via laws & public policy in his hate-filled campaigns.
He has lived a very privileged, non-sheltered life. He has had the options to choose differently, since becoming an adult and leaving the Duggar compound. He knows he has other options (regarding choices, therapies, etc), but he's chosen differently. I don't think he's that naive.
I hope he moves forward and makes more compassionate & healthy choices in his life, but I don't feel sorry for Josh Duggar - much in the same way that I don't feel sorry for the Ted Haggards, Aaron Shocks, and other royal hypocrites of the world.
Actually, people who grow up in distorted, very religious environments have hugely higher rates of molestation, as victims and/or perpetrators. Cheating on their spouses, well, anyone can do that. As well as be a hypocrite.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 12:52
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently Josh's whereabouts are unknown, and he may be missing. He hasn't been showing up to his (bs) rehab program.
The guy is a pig but I really hope he doesn't kill himself.
I hope not either. That would be truly tragic for his kids and I would completely blame his parents.
I already do blame them. I think they need to release a statement that says they are praying for guidance for how to parent and seek therapy.
I feel bad for Josh. I mean if he was a kid who grew up in a normal home with normal parents and a normal family, I would be more apt to just blame him.
But Josh has to feel like he tried so hard to do all the right things his parents told him - going to church, courtship and no kissing or hand holding, get married young, have a bunch of kids - would lead to happiness and then he still didn't find the happiness or fulfilled like he was supposed to. How soul crushing that must be for a young adult who really believed that he was going to be guaranteed lifelong happiness and then to not have that happen but to have absolutely no one to talk to about it. I am not surprised by what happens.
What would truly be great is if he did go to a real rehab and therapy center, moved Anna and the kids and him far away from any of their family and just tried to start over as a normal, regular family.
Didn't he hook up with a porn star at a casino?
Who cares? Cheating in a marriage is bad, especially if you're a spokespeson of a Family Values organization, but it really is only between him and his wife. It's not wicked or depraved.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 08:12
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:I find myself unable to harbor any real anger toward him. He never had a chance. He was raised in a distorted, repressive environment where all the controls about how to behave as a good person were imposed externally. Then he was married off young to a nice woman who was equally raised to never contradict him. Yes, he majorly screwed up, but every time he makes a mistake he gets the worst possible forms of advice and "support" and he's been brought up so stuck inside this bubble that he can't even see it.
I used to think the Duggars were so wholesome and nice, just a little more wackadoo religious than I was comfortable with, but then I learned more about Quiverfull and Bill Gothard and how twisted their system really is and now it's just sickening. I hope some of those kids can get out of it.
I disagree. Lots of people grow up in distorted, very religious environments, and never end up molesting anyone, or cheating on their spouses, or being a complete hypocrite.
I'd feel more sympathy if he decided to live a private life after getting married, but Josh chose to be public. He chose to be work for what's essentially a hate-group. He chose to be a complete hypocrite in his public vs. personal life, and he chose to negatively affect the personal lives of others via laws & public policy in his hate-filled campaigns.
He has lived a very privileged, non-sheltered life. He has had the options to choose differently, since becoming an adult and leaving the Duggar compound. He knows he has other options (regarding choices, therapies, etc), but he's chosen differently. I don't think he's that naive.
I hope he moves forward and makes more compassionate & healthy choices in his life, but I don't feel sorry for Josh Duggar - much in the same way that I don't feel sorry for the Ted Haggards, Aaron Shocks, and other royal hypocrites of the world.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 07:31
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently Josh's whereabouts are unknown, and he may be missing. He hasn't been showing up to his (bs) rehab program.
The guy is a pig but I really hope he doesn't kill himself.
I hope not either. That would be truly tragic for his kids and I would completely blame his parents.
I already do blame them. I think they need to release a statement that says they are praying for guidance for how to parent and seek therapy.
I feel bad for Josh. I mean if he was a kid who grew up in a normal home with normal parents and a normal family, I would be more apt to just blame him.
But Josh has to feel like he tried so hard to do all the right things his parents told him - going to church, courtship and no kissing or hand holding, get married young, have a bunch of kids - would lead to happiness and then he still didn't find the happiness or fulfilled like he was supposed to. How soul crushing that must be for a young adult who really believed that he was going to be guaranteed lifelong happiness and then to not have that happen but to have absolutely no one to talk to about it. I am not surprised by what happens.
What would truly be great is if he did go to a real rehab and therapy center, moved Anna and the kids and him far away from any of their family and just tried to start over as a normal, regular family.
Didn't he hook up with a porn star at a casino?
Anonymous
09/03/2015 06:42
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently Josh's whereabouts are unknown, and he may be missing. He hasn't been showing up to his (bs) rehab program.
He probably busy screwing every prostitute he can get his hands on-he is a filthy perverted pig.
He is a man who spent his childhood in a fucked up cult and now he is fucked up. I hope he gets help.
+1
Anonymous
09/03/2015 00:28
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently Josh's whereabouts are unknown, and he may be missing. He hasn't been showing up to his (bs) rehab program.
The guy is a pig but I really hope he doesn't kill himself.
Agreed. Killing himself wouldn't solve anything.
I'd hope he sought out REAL therapy and counseling, and learned to be a more compassionate, non-hypocritical asshole of a human being, and father. And I'd hope Anna moves on and finds a companion who doesn't value her solely for her vagina, uterus, cooking & cleaning skills.
oh, please, you know he didn't. he's not that self aware.
Realistically, you're probably right. But one can have a (very, very small) iota of hope that this gets turned into a positive somehow.
You are a horrible human being. Suicide is never a positive.
Read again. Carefully.
NP who read very carefully, I don't see anyone saying suicide is a positive, I think pp was saying that even though realistically it's probably true that Josh isn't self-aware enough to get real therapy and change, she has a small amount of hope that maybe he is.
Agreed. 21:41 is the one that needs to read carefully.
21:41 was saying that the "you are a horrible human being" poster was mistaken in thinking anyone was condoning suicide. Geez.
You're right, I looked at the wrong time stamp. My apologies.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 00:20
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:I find myself unable to harbor any real anger toward him. He never had a chance. He was raised in a distorted, repressive environment where all the controls about how to behave as a good person were imposed externally. Then he was married off young to a nice woman who was equally raised to never contradict him. Yes, he majorly screwed up, but every time he makes a mistake he gets the worst possible forms of advice and "support" and he's been brought up so stuck inside this bubble that he can't even see it.
I used to think the Duggars were so wholesome and nice, just a little more wackadoo religious than I was comfortable with, but then I learned more about Quiverfull and Bill Gothard and how twisted their system really is and now it's just sickening. I hope some of those kids can get out of it.
Well said.
Anonymous
09/03/2015 00:05
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
I find myself unable to harbor any real anger toward him. He never had a chance. He was raised in a distorted, repressive environment where all the controls about how to behave as a good person were imposed externally. Then he was married off young to a nice woman who was equally raised to never contradict him. Yes, he majorly screwed up, but every time he makes a mistake he gets the worst possible forms of advice and "support" and he's been brought up so stuck inside this bubble that he can't even see it.
I used to think the Duggars were so wholesome and nice, just a little more wackadoo religious than I was comfortable with, but then I learned more about Quiverfull and Bill Gothard and how twisted their system really is and now it's just sickening. I hope some of those kids can get out of it.
I used to think the Duggars were so wholesome and nice, just a little more wackadoo religious than I was comfortable with, but then I learned more about Quiverfull and Bill Gothard and how twisted their system really is and now it's just sickening. I hope some of those kids can get out of it.
Anonymous
09/02/2015 23:29
Subject: The Seewalds Turn on Josh Duggar - How long before more of his family do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apparently Josh's whereabouts are unknown, and he may be missing. He hasn't been showing up to his (bs) rehab program.
The guy is a pig but I really hope he doesn't kill himself.
Agreed. Killing himself wouldn't solve anything.
I'd hope he sought out REAL therapy and counseling, and learned to be a more compassionate, non-hypocritical asshole of a human being, and father. And I'd hope Anna moves on and finds a companion who doesn't value her solely for her vagina, uterus, cooking & cleaning skills.
oh, please, you know he didn't. he's not that self aware.
Realistically, you're probably right. But one can have a (very, very small) iota of hope that this gets turned into a positive somehow.
You are a horrible human being. Suicide is never a positive.
Read again. Carefully.
NP who read very carefully, I don't see anyone saying suicide is a positive, I think pp was saying that even though realistically it's probably true that Josh isn't self-aware enough to get real therapy and change, she has a small amount of hope that maybe he is.
Agreed. 21:41 is the one that needs to read carefully.
21:41 was saying that the "you are a horrible human being" poster was mistaken in thinking anyone was condoning suicide. Geez.