Anonymous
Post 09/03/2015 08:05     Subject: Re:Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:This is an insane idea. If you want to further fragment any sense of community at DC schools, encourage people to flee to charters (which don't have these rules), and pretty much unfairly penalize renters over home owners (because renters may not always be able to stay in boundary, if their house is sold, if their neighborhood gentrifies, etc), then go right ahead. It will make minimal difference on whether your three-year old gets in to IB PreK, which I know is what you're actually bitter about. It will be very, very disruptive to a lot of people, most of them poorer than you.

New York, as an example, would NEVER, ever do this. Once you're IB there, you're IB. Does that mean people rent an apartment for a year to get into a school? Yes, sometimes it does. Some people do that. It also means that many, many more families get to continue supporting their old neighborhood school no matter where in the city life takes them. As an example, at our old Brooklyn school, nearly every member of the PTA lived OOB. Most of them had started IB, but rising rents sent them all into Bed Stuy and Crown Heights, Flatbush and ENY. Our school still had a fantastic community, the likes of which I have never seen at a DCPS.

With the lottery every year, and everyone always trying for the next best thing, your schools have too much churn as it is. Why are you adding to it?


There are only a handful of schools that have wait lists for OOB students. Those schools are overcrowded and need to control their numbers. Therefore they need to enforce the rules about boundaries. Many many more schools do not have this problem and You can easily attend from OOB. I suggest you try one of those.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2015 07:46     Subject: Re:Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
This is an insane idea. If you want to further fragment any sense of community at DC schools, encourage people to flee to charters (which don't have these rules), and pretty much unfairly penalize renters over home owners (because renters may not always be able to stay in boundary, if their house is sold, if their neighborhood gentrifies, etc), then go right ahead. It will make minimal difference on whether your three-year old gets in to IB PreK, which I know is what you're actually bitter about. It will be very, very disruptive to a lot of people, most of them poorer than you.

New York, as an example, would NEVER, ever do this. Once you're IB there, you're IB. Does that mean people rent an apartment for a year to get into a school? Yes, sometimes it does. Some people do that. It also means that many, many more families get to continue supporting their old neighborhood school no matter where in the city life takes them. As an example, at our old Brooklyn school, nearly every member of the PTA lived OOB. Most of them had started IB, but rising rents sent them all into Bed Stuy and Crown Heights, Flatbush and ENY. Our school still had a fantastic community, the likes of which I have never seen at a DCPS.

With the lottery every year, and everyone always trying for the next best thing, your schools have too much churn as it is. Why are you adding to it?
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 15:33     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


In this case they are an OOB family and it's all good. If there is room for OOB kids and none on the waitlist, of course they can enroll.

There is some provision for staff kids as well to attend their parent's school.

I fail to see why this is so hard for you to grasp.


Because you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

In the first example you are assuming there was no waitlist so the spot was offered legitimately which may or may not be true and can't be verified at this point anyway.

Secondly, the provision the mayor suspended for the current academic year specifically addressed those who move out of boundary during the school. It did not mention those who are currently OOB regardless of how they became an OOB family.

The reality is that existing students, should the provision be adapted for next year, are likely to be grandfathered into their existing school.


For the moment. If the policy is implemented, kids who move mid-year can finish out the year but then need to transfer.

I don't understand your example about the OOB family that got a spot midyear when moving to DC from somewhere else. Did they apply using a DC address they were not living at and then try to reapply using their actual DC address when they had one?


There are lots of schools that are under enrolled. And sometimes even fully enrolled schools have spaces that open up during the year.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 15:32     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


In this case they are an OOB family and it's all good. If there is room for OOB kids and none on the waitlist, of course they can enroll.

There is some provision for staff kids as well to attend their parent's school.

I fail to see why this is so hard for you to grasp.


Because you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

In the first example you are assuming there was no waitlist so the spot was offered legitimately which may or may not be true and can't be verified at this point anyway.

Secondly, the provision the mayor suspended for the current academic year specifically addressed those who move out of boundary during the school. It did not mention those who are currently OOB regardless of how they became an OOB family.

The reality is that existing students, should the provision be adapted for next year, are likely to be grandfathered into their existing school.


For the moment. If the policy is implemented, kids who move mid-year can finish out the year but then need to transfer.

I don't understand your example about the OOB family that got a spot midyear when moving to DC from somewhere else. Did they apply using a DC address they were not living at and then try to reapply using their actual DC address when they had one?


Are you a DCPS person? Seriously, I have a ton of questions for you if you are responding as a rep of the system.


My child goes to a DCPS elementary school (out of bounds, via lottery). I am not otherwise affiliated with DCPS.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:43     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


In this case they are an OOB family and it's all good. If there is room for OOB kids and none on the waitlist, of course they can enroll.

There is some provision for staff kids as well to attend their parent's school.

I fail to see why this is so hard for you to grasp.


Because you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

In the first example you are assuming there was no waitlist so the spot was offered legitimately which may or may not be true and can't be verified at this point anyway.

Secondly, the provision the mayor suspended for the current academic year specifically addressed those who move out of boundary during the school. It did not mention those who are currently OOB regardless of how they became an OOB family.

The reality is that existing students, should the provision be adapted for next year, are likely to be grandfathered into their existing school.


For the moment. If the policy is implemented, kids who move mid-year can finish out the year but then need to transfer.

I don't understand your example about the OOB family that got a spot midyear when moving to DC from somewhere else. Did they apply using a DC address they were not living at and then try to reapply using their actual DC address when they had one?


Are you a DCPS person? Seriously, I have a ton of questions for you if you are responding as a rep of the system.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:40     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


In this case they are an OOB family and it's all good. If there is room for OOB kids and none on the waitlist, of course they can enroll.

There is some provision for staff kids as well to attend their parent's school.

I fail to see why this is so hard for you to grasp.


Because you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

In the first example you are assuming there was no waitlist so the spot was offered legitimately which may or may not be true and can't be verified at this point anyway.

Secondly, the provision the mayor suspended for the current academic year specifically addressed those who move out of boundary during the school. It did not mention those who are currently OOB regardless of how they became an OOB family.

The reality is that existing students, should the provision be adapted for next year, are likely to be grandfathered into their existing school.


For the moment. If the policy is implemented, kids who move mid-year can finish out the year but then need to transfer.

I don't understand your example about the OOB family that got a spot midyear when moving to DC from somewhere else. Did they apply using a DC address they were not living at and then try to reapply using their actual DC address when they had one?
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:38     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


Families attended Acme Elementary as OOB students can stay at the school as long as they want. They will re-enroll as OOB students and do not have to re-lottery as such. If a family moved to DC into an IB address mid-year and then moved OOB, they would not be able to demonstrate their IB status during registration the second year. They would either need to apply OOB to Acme for the second year, or else they would need to enroll at Unicorn Elementary, their new school.

As for the children of faculty and staff, that's not a preference category. The system, as it is designed right now, does not make exceptions for faculty and staff. If a teacher at Acme lives in IB for Unicorn and has a 2nd grader, that 2nd grader either needs to secure an Acme 2nd grade seat OOB via the lottery or enroll at Unicorn. I'm sure there are situations where the 2nd grader is admitted to Acme outside the lottery process, but I suspect we will see a lot less of that.

If there is a shit show involved, it will be because people thought they could game the system and are not able to do that any longer. You all have seen how much sympathy this board has for residency cheaters in general.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:37     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


In this case they are an OOB family and it's all good. If there is room for OOB kids and none on the waitlist, of course they can enroll.

There is some provision for staff kids as well to attend their parent's school.

I fail to see why this is so hard for you to grasp.


Because you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

In the first example you are assuming there was no waitlist so the spot was offered legitimately which may or may not be true and can't be verified at this point anyway.

Secondly, the provision the mayor suspended for the current academic year specifically addressed those who move out of boundary during the school. It did not mention those who are currently OOB regardless of how they became an OOB family.

The reality is that existing students, should the provision be adapted for next year, are likely to be grandfathered into their existing school.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:34     Subject: Re:Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if this is the same for Pre-K 3 and 4? Because those are all lottery based anyway - whether if you move during the pre-k 3 year, you retain the spot for the pre-k 4 year since that's an all lottery year too (and them presumably get kicked out for K)?


Yes, same for PK3 and PK4, unless you got a spot without the preference (i.e., you didn't use your inboundary/proximate address).


You have to re-enroll every year, even for PK3/PK4. If you lotteried in for PK3 with in bounds status and you move in January, you have to use your new address for the lottery application for PK4. You cannot simply re-enroll but switch from IB to OOB. That's what the policy change is.

For K+, you have to re-enroll every year, but if you're IB, you don't have to lottery. You do have to prove you're IB, though.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:22     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


In this case they are an OOB family and it's all good. If there is room for OOB kids and none on the waitlist, of course they can enroll.

There is some provision for staff kids as well to attend their parent's school.

I fail to see why this is so hard for you to grasp.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:20     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


They go to their IB schools...Like everyone else.


hahahahaha
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:16     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.


They go to their IB schools...Like everyone else.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:15     Subject: Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
What happens to all the OOB families who didn't get in through prior IB staus or lottery?

Like kids of faculty/staff?
Or the family that moved to DC mid year, investigated OOB options and were able to secure a spot because there was room?

I guess they will all get thrown out too since the principal will no longer have discretion over the enrollment process. Well that should be an interesting shit show to watch.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:02     Subject: Re:Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess I just don't get this thought process. If you live in the suburbs and live in bounds for school A and move to an area zoned for school B- you go to school B. If you still want school A then you buy a house in that area. There are boundaries for a reason. I do understand if you lottery as OOB and get in then absolutely you have the right to stay no matter what. Makes sense.


By the same token, if you have a seat at a school because you live in its boundaries, you should have the right to stay no matter what. What's the difference? Both students got a seat, but one is allowed to move wherever they want and still keep it? Why?


Really??

Ok here's how it works. Acme School has 100 spaces. 80 of them go to IB kids who live in the neighborhood. 20 go OOB kids who live around the city because there was space for them. The smith family, who has 2 kids, decides to move to another neighborhood. But when they do that, the Jones family, who also has 2 kids, moves into their old house. If the smith kids stay, the school now has 102 students. Meanwhile, the Davis family, who lives OOB, also decides to move across town. The family who moves into their old house doesn't have rights to attend Acme school. So their moving doesn't affect the school at all.

See?
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2015 14:01     Subject: Re:Continue at current school after moving out of boundary?
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if this is the same for Pre-K 3 and 4? Because those are all lottery based anyway - whether if you move during the pre-k 3 year, you retain the spot for the pre-k 4 year since that's an all lottery year too (and them presumably get kicked out for K)?


Yes, same for PK3 and PK4, unless you got a spot without the preference (i.e., you didn't use your inboundary/proximate address).