Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 14:22     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
I do not feel bad for the cheaters who are being exposed.

I do feel bad for the family members who are affected, and particularly for those who would've rather not known.

However, for the people committing suicide because they were exposed, while tragic, perhaps they shouldn't have behaved in such a way that if caught, they felt that was their only option. They did that to themselves.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 14:17     Subject: Re:Suicides associated with the AM hack
Yes adultery is very sad. But do you think it will help the kids to have mom fired, dad in pain? In most situations I've personally known of adultery it came out but in a private enough way that the family could decide whether to stay together, part but without the total destruction. Also, it wasn't always a one sided thing,.or a.thing with no other problems or clues. I'm guessing half the people on AM were just bored/curious /fantasizing..probably good for some marriages, and not sharing tissues.

This is criminal.and people are dying. Where is the govt on this? Why the reticence. This is not funny.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 14:12     Subject: Re:Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand the suicides. If you go on this site presumably you don't care about your marriage THAT much, right? Maybe it's the public nature of it. Most of the people I recognized on the list are already divorced. Sad in any case.


That's the point. It isn't just destroying their marriage, it's destroying their professional and personal life as well. While cheating is horrible, it isn't illegal, and ruining people's lives over what should be a private matter seems cruel.


You know what's cruel??? Being cheated on after you make a VOW to promise to be faithful oh and you keep up your end of the bargain while the other person betrays you. That's what's cruel!!! How do you like blowing your nose into tissue that's been used by someone else? That's what its like to share a partner who has been unfaithful and sleeping with others who may have given him STDs.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 14:12     Subject: Re:Suicides associated with the AM hack
And if you are in the military you can be prosecuted - which I really don't think is fair given this information was revealed through a crime. But thats a sode bar.

That being said, isnt this a criminal.act? Can the FBI be on it? When it was in the dark net could the govt. Not have the capability to erase it every time.it popped up before it replicated? I.mean, didn't we create the worm that crippled the Iranian nuke program?

We are taking it right and left on the internet and many Americans are being violated, be it target, be it security clearance, be it irs hacked, be it this...We need a response. Where the administration on this????? nn
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:52     Subject: Re:Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand the suicides. If you go on this site presumably you don't care about your marriage THAT much, right? Maybe it's the public nature of it. Most of the people I recognized on the list are already divorced. Sad in any case.


That's the point. It isn't just destroying their marriage, it's destroying their professional and personal life as well. While cheating is horrible, it isn't illegal, and ruining people's lives over what should be a private matter seems cruel.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:50     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.


I agree.


Ashley Madison sounds like they have really shoddy internet security practices - maybe some fraud issues too?

I think the government should have a fast response team to respond to these breaches. The internet, though we all give up a modicum of privacy, is policed. In Europe they are developing far stronger right to privacy laws. In this situation, I would think its in the public interest to not have this released - both for the invasion of privacy ans the chilling effect on e-commerce.

Again, what would the govt. Response be if the internet hackers of about 30 million Americans security clearances with just as personal info - if those hackers get miffed and dump it on the web..does the govt. Have the capability to respond? Have they thought that far ahead?


The reality is just about anything can be hacked as should be evident with what one would assume is secure data held by the US government that China is believed to have hacked. We only hear about it when it surfaces like has occurred with AM and some of the breaches like at Target.

There is literally nothing that can be done to stop it because even if US citizens were somehow prevented from publicizing something like the AM hack there is nothing to stop those who live in other countries from doing so and given the nature of the net, people can access it from the US.

What can the government do? Perhaps there is retribution possible against American citizens if they can be identified as hackers but those who live in other countries are really immune from action unless the host governments cooperate.


We, the U.S., have a military command that is dedicated to cyber threats against our nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command

This isn't a national security issue. No more than hundreds of thousands of other breaches of private companies.
Private companies have access to U.S. CERT which provides information on best security practices. It is up to private companies to protect their data and the information of their customers.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:44     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Should have thought about that before signing up for the site. (my husband was on the site, I did not know until the list. Yes, he is a cheater) I have absolutely NO sympathy for the people on that site.


Not an issue that you know about your husband but is there a need for it to be publicized to the whole world?


She probably wouldn't have known her husband was a cheater if not for the hack.

And it is absolutely her right to know if her husband is cheating.


Of course it is, which is my point. I don't feel sorry that he was exposed because she deserved to know what he was doing.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:42     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.


I agree.


Ashley Madison sounds like they have really shoddy internet security practices - maybe some fraud issues too?

I think the government should have a fast response team to respond to these breaches. The internet, though we all give up a modicum of privacy, is policed. In Europe they are developing far stronger right to privacy laws. In this situation, I would think its in the public interest to not have this released - both for the invasion of privacy ans the chilling effect on e-commerce.

Again, what would the govt. Response be if the internet hackers of about 30 million Americans security clearances with just as personal info - if those hackers get miffed and dump it on the web..does the govt. Have the capability to respond? Have they thought that far ahead?


The reality is just about anything can be hacked as should be evident with what one would assume is secure data held by the US government that China is believed to have hacked. We only hear about it when it surfaces like has occurred with AM and some of the breaches like at Target.

There is literally nothing that can be done to stop it because even if US citizens were somehow prevented from publicizing something like the AM hack there is nothing to stop those who live in other countries from doing so and given the nature of the net, people can access it from the US.

What can the government do? Perhaps there is retribution possible against American citizens if they can be identified as hackers but those who live in other countries are really immune from action unless the host governments cooperate.


We, the U.S., have a military command that is dedicated to cyber threats against our nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:35     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.


I agree.


Ashley Madison sounds like they have really shoddy internet security practices - maybe some fraud issues too?

I think the government should have a fast response team to respond to these breaches. The internet, though we all give up a modicum of privacy, is policed. In Europe they are developing far stronger right to privacy laws. In this situation, I would think its in the public interest to not have this released - both for the invasion of privacy ans the chilling effect on e-commerce.

Again, what would the govt. Response be if the internet hackers of about 30 million Americans security clearances with just as personal info - if those hackers get miffed and dump it on the web..does the govt. Have the capability to respond? Have they thought that far ahead?


The reality is just about anything can be hacked as should be evident with what one would assume is secure data held by the US government that China is believed to have hacked. We only hear about it when it surfaces like has occurred with AM and some of the breaches like at Target.

There is literally nothing that can be done to stop it because even if US citizens were somehow prevented from publicizing something like the AM hack there is nothing to stop those who live in other countries from doing so and given the nature of the net, people can access it from the US.

What can the government do? Perhaps there is retribution possible against American citizens if they can be identified as hackers but those who live in other countries are really immune from action unless the host governments cooperate.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:23     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.


I agree.


Ashley Madison sounds like they have really shoddy internet security practices - maybe some fraud issues too?

I think the government should have a fast response team to respond to these breaches. The internet, though we all give up a modicum of privacy, is policed. In Europe they are developing far stronger right to privacy laws. In this situation, I would think its in the public interest to not have this released - both for the invasion of privacy ans the chilling effect on e-commerce.

Again, what would the govt. Response be if the internet hackers of about 30 million Americans security clearances with just as personal info - if those hackers get miffed and dump it on the web..does the govt. Have the capability to respond? Have they thought that far ahead?
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:17     Subject: Re:Suicides associated with the AM hack
I really don't understand the suicides. If you go on this site presumably you don't care about your marriage THAT much, right? Maybe it's the public nature of it. Most of the people I recognized on the list are already divorced. Sad in any case.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:15     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:It is really, really sad when someone can't see any other way out of a crisis and takes their own life.

I did think after the Duggar AM leak that I would have Josh on round-the-clock supervision at this point.


I'm sure he is, but not for the reason you think.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:12     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
Anonymous wrote:There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.


I agree.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:11     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
There are two issues in this case

1. The cheating and a site that promotes it
2. The true security of a person's private information online

In my opinion, the issues are separate, mutually exclusive and warrant responses independent of each other.
Anonymous
Post 08/24/2015 13:00     Subject: Suicides associated with the AM hack
It is very sad that someone committed suicide. I agree nothing is safe on the Internet and all this information will be out there. With over 400,000 hits to the nova credit card users of Ashley Madison in a couple days, thousands of people have viewed and copied this data. NOVA is so close to the FBI and DHS headquarters, the site has been up for several days, as such I don't think going after the reposters is the focus of the govt investigation. That said, of all the people I have no sympathy for it is people that cheat on their spouses behind their back. I feel for the spouses and kids, but really grand scale Karma to the cheaters - especially the ones that say prove it - 8 credit card transactions to a site specificly for having affairs.