Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 15:11     Subject: Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
This discussion has solidified my decision to go to law school. Sounds like a great way to weed out the crazy, angry loser-men.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 15:10     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


And your response alone shows why lawyers like you aren't attractive. Throwing around words like "insecure", "misogynistic trolls", "bullies." Way to jump to stereotypes. Would like to ask your husband whether he is truly happy.


Yes, I have no doubt my husband is secretly miserable because OMGLAWYERWIFE!! Funny that you are complaining about stereotypes when you trotted out quite a few about female lawyers. Carry on.


Keeping patting yourself on the back about how you're so much better than your friends that are teachers that somehow their profession makes them more controllable vs your profession who pays you more but is associated with an awful attitude and one of the least respected professions around. I'll like to see what your friends think you view their relationships.



She didn't say she thinks she is better than a teacher. Just that nasty men seem to be attracted to teachers. Miserable men don't want to be with a woman who is by training not afraid to argue. It's not a good or a bad trait, but it sure keeps the jerks at bay.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 15:07     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given both women of equal beauty and attractiveness, I would choose the teacher over the lawyer. I admire the profession more, and she is likely to be more nurturing and there for our family when we have one.. Her teaching degree shows that she is qualified and just as intelligent as the lawyer or investment banker.


I think teachers deserve just as much respect/pay as lawyer. Unfortunately there are teachers who are not bright (just as there are lawyers and investment bankers who are not bright). I don't think you can use occupation as a proxy for intelligence.

OP, some men care that women have careers. Those guys aren't dating you. Some guys don't care, so they are happy to date you. It really doesn't matter what "men" want in general - it's just about finding a fit for YOU. You need to find one person, not hordes of men.

It's like saying that men don't like women who are too big/small/wear lots of makeup/don't wear enough makeup. There are guys who are attracted to all of those things.


I think teachers deserve respect, but I don't think they deserve the same pay as lawyers. And trust me - I don't like lawyers. It's all about supply and demand - many more people are capable of being teachers rather than lawyers. Legal work is harder and requires more school. Why should they get paid the same amount?

That said - I do think that lawyers are overpaid. I don't think teachers are underpaid. I think they are compensated appropriately.


I'm the PP. I am a lawyer. And while teachers shouldn't be making BigLaw money (really, who should) it's sort of ridiculous that they're not consistently making at least 100k. You're right, it's a supply and demand problem. A lot of people would be teachers but for the low pay. I have been thinking of leaving law to be a teacher (I sometimes regret not going into teaching), but I have a secure job and my pay would be cut dramatically if I went into teaching. I can't afford it with the student loans I have. I plan to revisit once the loans are paid down.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 15:06     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


Good for you. I'd never hire a female lawyer.


Oh, this is a real crisis. However will I make the mortgage this month if you don't retain me?


LOL...
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 15:04     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


Good for you. I'd never hire a female lawyer.


Oh, this is a real crisis. However will I make the mortgage this month if you don't retain me?
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 15:02     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


And your response alone shows why lawyers like you aren't attractive. Throwing around words like "insecure", "misogynistic trolls", "bullies." Way to jump to stereotypes. Would like to ask your husband whether he is truly happy.


Yes, I have no doubt my husband is secretly miserable because OMGLAWYERWIFE!! Funny that you are complaining about stereotypes when you trotted out quite a few about female lawyers. Carry on.

you
Keeping patting yourself on the back about how you're so much better than your friends that are teachers that somehow their profession makes them more controllable vs your profession who pays you more but is associated with an awful attitude and one of the least respected professions around. I'll like to see what your friends think you view their relationships.


Reading comprehension, my friend. Did I say that I look down on my friends for being teachers? Nope! The dunce hat is yours. I wrote that men who are looking for women who are controllable are attracted to female teachers. it should be obvious that the point there is to shed light on those men's mindsets. It is sad that I had to break this down for you.

By the way, I will be sure to cry big fat tears about what you think of female lawyers as I enjoy my work and social standing and collect my salary.

Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 15:01     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


Good for you. I'd never hire a female lawyer.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 14:55     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


And your response alone shows why lawyers like you aren't attractive. Throwing around words like "insecure", "misogynistic trolls", "bullies." Way to jump to stereotypes. Would like to ask your husband whether he is truly happy.


Yes, I have no doubt my husband is secretly miserable because OMGLAWYERWIFE!! Funny that you are complaining about stereotypes when you trotted out quite a few about female lawyers. Carry on.


Keeping patting yourself on the back about how you're so much better than your friends that are teachers that somehow their profession makes them more controllable vs your profession who pays you more but is associated with an awful attitude and one of the least respected professions around. I'll like to see what your friends think you view their relationships.

Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 14:50     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


And your response alone shows why lawyers like you aren't attractive. Throwing around words like "insecure", "misogynistic trolls", "bullies." Way to jump to stereotypes. Would like to ask your husband whether he is truly happy.


Yes, I have no doubt my husband is secretly miserable because OMGLAWYERWIFE!! Funny that you are complaining about stereotypes when you trotted out quite a few about female lawyers. Carry on.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 14:48     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


And your response alone shows why lawyers like you aren't attractive. Throwing around words like "insecure", "misogynistic trolls", "bullies." Way to jump to stereotypes. Would like to ask your husband whether he is truly happy.


Oh honey. She's not jumping to a stereotype- you ARE a misogynistic troll.

Now, go back and reread your post and think about what you've done.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 14:43     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.


And your response alone shows why lawyers like you aren't attractive. Throwing around words like "insecure", "misogynistic trolls", "bullies." Way to jump to stereotypes. Would like to ask your husband whether he is truly happy.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 14:25     Subject: Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
I don't think intelligence is tied to a career or education. I like an intelligent woman, but am a man and feel it is my job to provide the money.

My wife has a job because she likes it that way, but it is not a criteria for marriage. My main attraction is that she is funny, is physically fit and attractive, and that she is a kind person. She can work or SAH. Unfortunately her working makes our lives more complicated, but her "career" was never a focus for me.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 14:19     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.


This is another reason why I like being a lawyer: Weeds out insecure men like you. No man who uses the term "ball busting" seriously is worth the time it takes to dismiss him. I have two friends who are teachers and both of them have husbands who are really misogynistic tools. Both of my friends are smart (choice of husbands aside), but bullies who want to keep women small and controllable seem to be attracted to female teachers. My husband is sweet, smart and a good partner.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 13:16     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
In general a teacher will be more attractive to a professional man able to be sole breadwinner of his family than a ball busting lawyer who thinks she is the bees knees.
Anonymous
Post 08/18/2015 13:13     Subject: Re:Men: do you care if a woman has a career?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Given both women of equal beauty and attractiveness, I would choose the teacher over the lawyer. I admire the profession more, and she is likely to be more nurturing and there for our family when we have one.. Her teaching degree shows that she is qualified and just as intelligent as the lawyer or investment banker.


I think teachers deserve just as much respect/pay as lawyer. Unfortunately there are teachers who are not bright (just as there are lawyers and investment bankers who are not bright). I don't think you can use occupation as a proxy for intelligence.

OP, some men care that women have careers. Those guys aren't dating you. Some guys don't care, so they are happy to date you. It really doesn't matter what "men" want in general - it's just about finding a fit for YOU. You need to find one person, not hordes of men.

It's like saying that men don't like women who are too big/small/wear lots of makeup/don't wear enough makeup. There are guys who are attracted to all of those things.


I think teachers deserve respect, but I don't think they deserve the same pay as lawyers. And trust me - I don't like lawyers. It's all about supply and demand - many more people are capable of being teachers rather than lawyers. Legal work is harder and requires more school. Why should they get paid the same amount?

That said - I do think that lawyers are overpaid. I don't think teachers are underpaid. I think they are compensated appropriately.