Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 21:51     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
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Anonymous wrote:OP didn't just make that up. It's widely accepted in the ASD community and by experts that Einstein was on the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

OP, sorry you were so unfairly targeted here. Bunch of ingoramuses. Here's a list of books, hope you'll find a couple that are helpful. At least one of them also lists Einstein as having had ASD. You're a great parent, good luck! http://www.parenting.com/gallery/autism-books?page=2


From your link:

Speculation of this sort is, by necessity, based on reported behavior and anecdotal evidence rather than any clinical observation of the individual. Psychologist and author Oliver Sacks wrote that many of these claims seem "very thin at best",[12] and Fred Volkmar, of the Yale Child Study Center, has remarked that "there is unfortunately a sort of cottage industry of finding that everyone has Asperger's".[13] Michael Fitzgerald's research, in particular, has been heavily criticised, and described by some as "fudged pseudoscience"[14] and "frankly absurd".[15]


You missed the first part:

"Isaac Newton (1643–1727), Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) and Albert Einstein (1879–1955) all died before Asperger syndrome became known, but Ioan James,[4] Michael Fitzgerald,[7] and Simon Baron-Cohen[36] believe their personalities are consistent with those of people with Asperger syndrome. Tony Attwood has also named Einstein as a likely case of mild autism.[23]

So four experts agree on retrospective ASD diagnoses, and two disagree. Elliott disagrees because Einstein had a sense of humor. Hmmm... I know several people with ASD who are hilarious.

Besides, the point is that OP used experts' opinions to present to her child, based on her son's interest in those people's biographies. She did not make up the diagnoses herself. The meanness she experienced here is not warranted.


You simply can't go back in time and (mis)diagnose the dead.

If you actually read the biographies of these people, you'd know they didn't have autism. It's simple wishful thinking on the part of some people today.


How? What makes you more knowledgeable then scientists who study autism?
Are you an expert in the field? Do you have ASD?


I apparently know more than you. Einstein had no repetitive behaviors, and a robust social (and love) life. The facts point to learning differences in his early life, but not to autism.
Maybe you know more wrong things then me. Einstein did hyperfocus on restrictive interests. Absence of repetitive behaviors does not exclude ASD. Neither does being social or loving. You obviously have a warped, ignorant view of autistic people. Remember that plenty of adults are diagnosed today late in life, after getting married and having children. You might work or socialize with an autistic person and not even know it.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 20:41     Subject: Re:Books for kids about having asd?
Or this article, whee Baron-Cohen admits he was just speculating:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3676-einstein-and-newton-showed-signs-of-autism/

hey were certainly geniuses, but did Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton also have autism? According to autism expert Simon Baron-Cohen, they might both have shown many signs of Asperger syndrome, a form of the condition that does not cause learning difficulties.

Although he admits that it is impossible to make a definite diagnosis for someone who is no longer living, Baron-Cohen says he hopes this kind of analysis can shed light on why some people with autism excel in life, while others struggle.

and later

But Baron-Cohen thinks the idea is still worth considering – there may be certain niches in society where people with AS can flourish for their strengths rather than their social skills, he says. “This condition can make people depressed or suicidal, so if we can find out how to make things easier for them, that’s worthwhile.”
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 20:30     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP didn't just make that up. It's widely accepted in the ASD community and by experts that Einstein was on the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

OP, sorry you were so unfairly targeted here. Bunch of ingoramuses. Here's a list of books, hope you'll find a couple that are helpful. At least one of them also lists Einstein as having had ASD. You're a great parent, good luck! http://www.parenting.com/gallery/autism-books?page=2


From your link:

Speculation of this sort is, by necessity, based on reported behavior and anecdotal evidence rather than any clinical observation of the individual. Psychologist and author Oliver Sacks wrote that many of these claims seem "very thin at best",[12] and Fred Volkmar, of the Yale Child Study Center, has remarked that "there is unfortunately a sort of cottage industry of finding that everyone has Asperger's".[13] Michael Fitzgerald's research, in particular, has been heavily criticised, and described by some as "fudged pseudoscience"[14] and "frankly absurd".[15]


You missed the first part:

"Isaac Newton (1643–1727), Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) and Albert Einstein (1879–1955) all died before Asperger syndrome became known, but Ioan James,[4] Michael Fitzgerald,[7] and Simon Baron-Cohen[36] believe their personalities are consistent with those of people with Asperger syndrome. Tony Attwood has also named Einstein as a likely case of mild autism.[23]

So four experts agree on retrospective ASD diagnoses, and two disagree. Elliott disagrees because Einstein had a sense of humor. Hmmm... I know several people with ASD who are hilarious.

Besides, the point is that OP used experts' opinions to present to her child, based on her son's interest in those people's biographies. She did not make up the diagnoses herself. The meanness she experienced here is not warranted.


You simply can't go back in time and (mis)diagnose the dead.

If you actually read the biographies of these people, you'd know they didn't have autism. It's simple wishful thinking on the part of some people today.


How? What makes you more knowledgeable then scientists who study autism?
Are you an expert in the field? Do you have ASD?


I apparently know more than you. Einstein had no repetitive behaviors, and a robust social (and love) life. The facts point to learning differences in his early life, but not to autism.

Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 18:43     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP didn't just make that up. It's widely accepted in the ASD community and by experts that Einstein was on the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

OP, sorry you were so unfairly targeted here. Bunch of ingoramuses. Here's a list of books, hope you'll find a couple that are helpful. At least one of them also lists Einstein as having had ASD. You're a great parent, good luck! http://www.parenting.com/gallery/autism-books?page=2


From your link:

Speculation of this sort is, by necessity, based on reported behavior and anecdotal evidence rather than any clinical observation of the individual. Psychologist and author Oliver Sacks wrote that many of these claims seem "very thin at best",[12] and Fred Volkmar, of the Yale Child Study Center, has remarked that "there is unfortunately a sort of cottage industry of finding that everyone has Asperger's".[13] Michael Fitzgerald's research, in particular, has been heavily criticised, and described by some as "fudged pseudoscience"[14] and "frankly absurd".[15]


You missed the first part:

"Isaac Newton (1643–1727), Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) and Albert Einstein (1879–1955) all died before Asperger syndrome became known, but Ioan James,[4] Michael Fitzgerald,[7] and Simon Baron-Cohen[36] believe their personalities are consistent with those of people with Asperger syndrome. Tony Attwood has also named Einstein as a likely case of mild autism.[23]

So four experts agree on retrospective ASD diagnoses, and two disagree. Elliott disagrees because Einstein had a sense of humor. Hmmm... I know several people with ASD who are hilarious.

Besides, the point is that OP used experts' opinions to present to her child, based on her son's interest in those people's biographies. She did not make up the diagnoses herself. The meanness she experienced here is not warranted.


You simply can't go back in time and (mis)diagnose the dead.

If you actually read the biographies of these people, you'd know they didn't have autism. It's simple wishful thinking on the part of some people today.


How? What makes you more knowledgeable then scientists who study autism?
Are you an expert in the field? Do you have ASD?
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 17:37     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP didn't just make that up. It's widely accepted in the ASD community and by experts that Einstein was on the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

OP, sorry you were so unfairly targeted here. Bunch of ingoramuses. Here's a list of books, hope you'll find a couple that are helpful. At least one of them also lists Einstein as having had ASD. You're a great parent, good luck! http://www.parenting.com/gallery/autism-books?page=2


From your link:

Speculation of this sort is, by necessity, based on reported behavior and anecdotal evidence rather than any clinical observation of the individual. Psychologist and author Oliver Sacks wrote that many of these claims seem "very thin at best",[12] and Fred Volkmar, of the Yale Child Study Center, has remarked that "there is unfortunately a sort of cottage industry of finding that everyone has Asperger's".[13] Michael Fitzgerald's research, in particular, has been heavily criticised, and described by some as "fudged pseudoscience"[14] and "frankly absurd".[15]


You missed the first part:

"Isaac Newton (1643–1727), Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) and Albert Einstein (1879–1955) all died before Asperger syndrome became known, but Ioan James,[4] Michael Fitzgerald,[7] and Simon Baron-Cohen[36] believe their personalities are consistent with those of people with Asperger syndrome. Tony Attwood has also named Einstein as a likely case of mild autism.[23]

So four experts agree on retrospective ASD diagnoses, and two disagree. Elliott disagrees because Einstein had a sense of humor. Hmmm... I know several people with ASD who are hilarious.

Besides, the point is that OP used experts' opinions to present to her child, based on her son's interest in those people's biographies. She did not make up the diagnoses herself. The meanness she experienced here is not warranted.


You simply can't go back in time and (mis)diagnose the dead.

If you actually read the biographies of these people, you'd know they didn't have autism. It's simple wishful thinking on the part of some people today.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 16:52     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP didn't just make that up. It's widely accepted in the ASD community and by experts that Einstein was on the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

OP, sorry you were so unfairly targeted here. Bunch of ingoramuses. Here's a list of books, hope you'll find a couple that are helpful. At least one of them also lists Einstein as having had ASD. You're a great parent, good luck! http://www.parenting.com/gallery/autism-books?page=2


From your link:

Speculation of this sort is, by necessity, based on reported behavior and anecdotal evidence rather than any clinical observation of the individual. Psychologist and author Oliver Sacks wrote that many of these claims seem "very thin at best",[12] and Fred Volkmar, of the Yale Child Study Center, has remarked that "there is unfortunately a sort of cottage industry of finding that everyone has Asperger's".[13] Michael Fitzgerald's research, in particular, has been heavily criticised, and described by some as "fudged pseudoscience"[14] and "frankly absurd".[15]


You missed the first part:

"Isaac Newton (1643–1727), Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) and Albert Einstein (1879–1955) all died before Asperger syndrome became known, but Ioan James,[4] Michael Fitzgerald,[7] and Simon Baron-Cohen[36] believe their personalities are consistent with those of people with Asperger syndrome. Tony Attwood has also named Einstein as a likely case of mild autism.[23]

So four experts agree on retrospective ASD diagnoses, and two disagree. Elliott disagrees because Einstein had a sense of humor. Hmmm... I know several people with ASD who are hilarious.

Besides, the point is that OP used experts' opinions to present to her child, based on her son's interest in those people's biographies. She did not make up the diagnoses herself. The meanness she experienced here is not warranted.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 16:18     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Anonymous wrote:OP didn't just make that up. It's widely accepted in the ASD community and by experts that Einstein was on the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

OP, sorry you were so unfairly targeted here. Bunch of ingoramuses. Here's a list of books, hope you'll find a couple that are helpful. At least one of them also lists Einstein as having had ASD. You're a great parent, good luck! http://www.parenting.com/gallery/autism-books?page=2


From your link:

Speculation of this sort is, by necessity, based on reported behavior and anecdotal evidence rather than any clinical observation of the individual. Psychologist and author Oliver Sacks wrote that many of these claims seem "very thin at best",[12] and Fred Volkmar, of the Yale Child Study Center, has remarked that "there is unfortunately a sort of cottage industry of finding that everyone has Asperger's".[13] Michael Fitzgerald's research, in particular, has been heavily criticised, and described by some as "fudged pseudoscience"[14] and "frankly absurd".[15]
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 15:25     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
OP didn't just make that up. It's widely accepted in the ASD community and by experts that Einstein was on the spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrospective_diagnoses_of_autism

OP, sorry you were so unfairly targeted here. Bunch of ingoramuses. Here's a list of books, hope you'll find a couple that are helpful. At least one of them also lists Einstein as having had ASD. You're a great parent, good luck! http://www.parenting.com/gallery/autism-books?page=2
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 12:13     Subject: Re:Books for kids about having asd?
Op here: thank you very much!!
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 12:02     Subject: Re:Books for kids about having asd?
I'm 9:48 from page 1. Here are some of the books from Amazon:

My dc has this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Autism-Spectrum-Disorders-Parents/dp/1575423855/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439826956&sr=8-1&keywords=autism+books+for+kids

And this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Different-Like-Me-Autism-Heroes/dp/1843108151/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1439826956&sr=8-9&keywords=autism+books+for+kids

I also got him this one b/c he has social issues:

http://www.amazon.com/Asperkids-Secret-Book-Social-Rules/dp/1849059152/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1439826956&sr=8-6&keywords=autism+books+for+kids

There are a bunch of others. As I said, just search under "autism books for kids."

Oh, I just thought of another website for you to look at. Michele Garcia Winner has a website with a bunch of products and books. Some are very expensive and meant for therapy/teaching but you may find something that you are looking for here.

http://www.socialthinking.com/Products?id={13764FEE-16F9-46B2-85A0-66BDB3A1F90D}#f:dlb=[autism%20spectrum%20disorders]
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 06:52     Subject: Re:Books for kids about having asd?
Op here: thank you to the 2-3 people who tried to be helpful with books or websites that may have book ideas. To the rest...good grief. Perhaps my son loves math and computers and WE chose a lead in that worked for US? Obviously that was but a snippet of what was said and, again, was only trying to respond to someone answering my BOOK posting. I realize school is starting and we're all probably tense but so many of you are nasty and combative in your posts - more than usual. Thx again to those who stayed in topic and tried to help. Anyone else who has book ideas, thank you in advance.
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 06:13     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Then do a s/I thread. You are off the topic
Anonymous
Post 08/17/2015 05:05     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Nice try. It's a discussion forum.
And more than one person has issues they want to discuss. And really- toughen up. It's the Internet. If you don't like what someone is saying- ignore it!!
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2015 23:14     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
OP, sorry about the PPs giving you a hard time. It is extremely unhelpful.

Have you tried the web site My Asperger's Child? I think they have some advice and book suggestions for discussing your child's diagnosis with your child.

Also, T. Attwood's book, The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome, has a Resources section that includes fiction and non- fiction books about explaining the diagnosis to your child. Sorry i don't have my copy handy.
Anonymous
Post 08/16/2015 22:27     Subject: Books for kids about having asd?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why don't you get the book Steve jobs wrote about growing up with autism. Oh... Wait...


Do you have a child with ASD? It does not sound like you do or even have a child with SNs bc then you should be able to show some empathy about how parents explain to their kid about a condition they have. Not sure why you are taking such offense?

If it makes it easier for the parent to think Steve Jobs is on the spectrum and that is how the Parent is dealing with their child's diagnosis, how does this hurt or affect you in any way?

Sheeh, this is suppose to be a support forum.

First- it's not just one poster that is taking issue with OP. Secondly- support does not have to = blind acceptance. My kid has spins bifida. If I told him that Jesse Owens had SB it would be a lie. And if I told him he could just like Jesse Owens that would also be a lie. And for what purpose? DS doesn't give a sh#t about winning Olympic medals. But as a parent, I would.
As for the books- are you open to videos? Tons of great videos shot/made by autistic kids as they explain their world/thinking. A simple google search brings them up- but I am happy to post links if you think it would resonate with your kid.


You are still debating.