Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:57     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:OP, how do you know that these women are not tourists? Flight is in a pretty touristy area. People often behave differently on vacation than they do at home.


She said it was a Girls night out.

Babies don't belong at a Girls Night out event.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:55     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:When wealthy white parents do it in nice bars, it's fine. When poor people of color do it at dive bars, it's child abuse.


Holy crap. You are right. Perspective.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:51     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:I think American parents would be a lot happier if it was NBD to bring your kid to a bar. This whole idea that motherhood automatically excludes you from having a life is very unhealthy.


Ding ding! Winner winner chicken dinner.

I saw my parents going out, having lives outside the home, laughing, and being with friends. My parents took me to race tracks and casinos; they also took me to symphonies and museums. They often arranged such things like field trips, where we'd see things behind the scenes and talk to people who made things run smoothly. Does it have to be all petting zoos and Chuck E Cheese all the time? Or can you just be with your child and have them soak in the richness of the human experience? I would never assume that a person with a baby in a bar is a bad parent, and I certainly wouldn't change anything about my childhood. MYOB.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:43     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:I think American parents would be a lot happier if it was NBD to bring your kid to a bar. This whole idea that motherhood automatically excludes you from having a life is very unhealthy.


That is ridiculous. Parents go to bars - they just don't bring their kids along. It's o.k. to have a grown up night out AWAY from the kids. Period.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:41     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
I'm generally not into other people's business like that. But seeing a baby out at a bar on "girl's night" would bother me, too. Get a sitter for the kid or stay at home. Don't bring your baby into a bar where grown ups are having a good time - it is not kid appropriate Mommy.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:38     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
OP, how do you know that these women are not tourists? Flight is in a pretty touristy area. People often behave differently on vacation than they do at home.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:32     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
I think American parents would be a lot happier if it was NBD to bring your kid to a bar. This whole idea that motherhood automatically excludes you from having a life is very unhealthy.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:32     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
When wealthy white parents do it in nice bars, it's fine. When poor people of color do it at dive bars, it's child abuse.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:29     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
It isn't my business unless the baby is crying and making a fuss and interrupting my enjoyment of the evening.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:29     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:

I think it boils down to this. It isn't appropriate. It is a millennial way of thinking -- like the woman who let her toddler cry fro 40 minutes in that diner (inappropriate) and then the owner yelling at them after asking them to leave (the yelling inappropriate).

There is a whole generation that thinks the world is about them and they do not know how to think on their own. I employ many millennials and they just lack common sense. There parents told them what to do and they still need that much direction.

I bet if you had asked this mother she would have no idea that her baby should be asleep or that a bar is not a proper hang out with a baby.


I bet if the OP had asked this mother, she would have said, "It's none of your business where I bring my baby." Which is true.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:27     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:

It isn't a kid appropriate venue. People around here do that stuff all the time. This is a very selfish area - mom/dad needs trump children.

We have lots of friends that have full time nannies - work and travel a lot and then spend their whole weekends hiring sitters so that they (the parents can go out). They spend very little time with their children.

That isn't necessarily bad (I was raised like this).

I will say that my DH swing the other way. We focus on our friends who do family friendly social events. And it is amazing. Lots of swim parties, cook outs, seafood events, etc. Tons of kids playing together and the adults hanging out. It is fantastic.

But if you don't have any friends with kids... You probably are stuck going to bars.


Well, yes. Sometimes the parents' needs do trump the children's needs.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:26     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

In the past few weeks I have witnessed babies at bars - not for happy hours (where the baby and mother clear out by 730 so they can make sure baby is in bed by 8) but out for girls' night out until 9 and 10 at night. We aren't talking newborns either. These babies look confuses and lost - probably because they are exhausted and overstimulated in their environments.

In every case it has been one baby with mom and the rest of the single ladies. I assume single mom but don't get close enough to inspect hands. A few weeks ago it was a young mother so I let it go. Last night at Flight it was a very decidedly looking older mother with a bunch of younger women (mom was mid to late 30s, possibly 40). So she is old enough to know better. Let DH care for the baby - if there is one, or hire a sitter. If you have enough money to be eating and drinking out you have enough to hire a sitter and let that baby sleep.

Grow up.


Well you can leave the bar and then you won't have to see it. I never understand people who choose to immerse themselves in the lives of strangers.


I don't hang out at Chuck E Cheese and try to make everyone quiet and well behaved. I shouldn't have to leave a bar at 9 pm because someone brought a baby.

Appropriate audience for the venue.


I think it boils down to this. It isn't appropriate. It is a millennial way of thinking -- like the woman who let her toddler cry fro 40 minutes in that diner (inappropriate) and then the owner yelling at them after asking them to leave (the yelling inappropriate).

There is a whole generation that thinks the world is about them and they do not know how to think on their own. I employ many millennials and they just lack common sense. There parents told them what to do and they still need that much direction.

I bet if you had asked this mother she would have no idea that her baby should be asleep or that a bar is not a proper hang out with a baby.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:26     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Well you can leave the bar and then you won't have to see it. I never understand people who choose to immerse themselves in the lives of strangers.


I don't hang out at Chuck E Cheese and try to make everyone quiet and well behaved. I shouldn't have to leave a bar at 9 pm because someone brought a baby.

Appropriate audience for the venue.


Who is expecting you to?
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:22     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

In the past few weeks I have witnessed babies at bars - not for happy hours (where the baby and mother clear out by 730 so they can make sure baby is in bed by 8) but out for girls' night out until 9 and 10 at night. We aren't talking newborns either. These babies look confuses and lost - probably because they are exhausted and overstimulated in their environments.

In every case it has been one baby with mom and the rest of the single ladies. I assume single mom but don't get close enough to inspect hands. A few weeks ago it was a young mother so I let it go. Last night at Flight it was a very decidedly looking older mother with a bunch of younger women (mom was mid to late 30s, possibly 40). So she is old enough to know better. Let DH care for the baby - if there is one, or hire a sitter. If you have enough money to be eating and drinking out you have enough to hire a sitter and let that baby sleep.

Grow up.


Well you can leave the bar and then you won't have to see it. I never understand people who choose to immerse themselves in the lives of strangers.


I don't hang out at Chuck E Cheese and try to make everyone quiet and well behaved. I shouldn't have to leave a bar at 9 pm because someone brought a baby.

Appropriate audience for the venue.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2015 09:20     Subject: For the love of God Please stop bringing your babies to bars for girl's night out


It isn't a kid appropriate venue. People around here do that stuff all the time. This is a very selfish area - mom/dad needs trump children.

We have lots of friends that have full time nannies - work and travel a lot and then spend their whole weekends hiring sitters so that they (the parents can go out). They spend very little time with their children.

That isn't necessarily bad (I was raised like this).

I will say that my DH swing the other way. We focus on our friends who do family friendly social events. And it is amazing. Lots of swim parties, cook outs, seafood events, etc. Tons of kids playing together and the adults hanging out. It is fantastic.

But if you don't have any friends with kids... You probably are stuck going to bars.