And Christians in church youth groups are the most deviant of all. My grandmother enrolled me in a summer youth program at her church every year, and that's where I:

- First kissed a (much older) boy
- First smoked a cigarette
- First lit something on fire just to watch it burn
- Learned most of my vocabulary of swear words
- First saw a naked man (Playgirl centerfold, but still)

I did pretty much everything except study the Bible. Oh, and I turned out gay.

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Anonymous wrote:"So, yeah. Church youth groups tend to provide a more sensible and nurturing environment where morals are stressed and sexual deviancy is downplayed. "

Are you kidding?

So being gay or bisexual is "sexual deviancy"?

I tried a church youth group as a kid. Most bigoted, inward looking, hypocritical people I had ever met.

Yes. By definition. Something like 2% of the population is gay. That, by definition deviates from the norm. That's what "'deviancy" means.

Well, something like 30% of the population are Christians. That, by definition deviates from the norm. So Christians are also deviants.

Anonymous wrote:"So, yeah. Church youth groups tend to provide a more sensible and nurturing environment where morals are stressed and sexual deviancy is downplayed. "

Are you kidding?

No. What about my post makes you think that?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"So, yeah. Church youth groups tend to provide a more sensible and nurturing environment where morals are stressed and sexual deviancy is downplayed. "

Are you kidding?

So being gay or bisexual is "sexual deviancy"?

I tried a church youth group as a kid. Most bigoted, inward looking, hypocritical people I had ever met.

Yes. By definition. Something like 2% of the population is gay. That, by definition deviates from the norm. That's what "'deviancy" means.

Nope, I'd totally skirt over the bisexual thing for now and agree 100% with the girl crush. I went to all girls school and this is very real and very normal and I'm 100% straight. This is absolutely NOT worth turning a life upside down and "coming out" as bi. This is not the time. Maybe later, but at 12, when she's had little to no experience (hopefully) there is no basis.

The other stuff? Get her out of this triangle. Do whatever you can to create some space. This whole thing is super toxic.