Anonymous
08/08/2015 17:56
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From the article: "And maybe, just maybe, we should all try to worry less about the way people speak (or dress or...) and instead try to actually listen to and hear what they're saying.
So vocal fry? Don't vocal fry? Do what you want! Because if our crappy earbud headphones have taught us anything, it's that content matters more than the quality of delivery."
Yeah sorry I know this was a posting fail- I like the video but totally disagree with the article. In all parts of life it is not what people say but how they say it. If you uptalk, can't speak with conviction, fry your words, etc I can't take you seriously.
Yes, and I'm a woman in a position to decide whether I hire you, or not.
The 'get a life' PPs may want to consider that.
You wouldn't hire a girl/woman because she speaks with vocal fry? I guess you must be deluged with highly-qualified applicants.
Note that men creak, and men uptalk -- it's just that nobody minds when men do it. They only mind when girls/women do it. Why do you suppose that is?
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=20155
I'm the female dept. head PP back again. Baloney. Uptalking sounds stupid independent of gender. I have a son, he's 12, and you'd better believe I figuratively slap the low-education vocal affectations right out of him when I hear them. To date, he's been guilty of up-talking when telling a long story. I call him on it every time: "And then we went to laser tag? And Aidan was there? And my team had better guns? But we still lost because one wasn't working?"
Uptalking, vocal fry and interminable Uhmmmmmmmms just don't fly in my profession at the higher levels. I only claim to know medicine but I suspect there are other professional settings where the hesistant, hair twirling, faux-ironic voiced applicants also get passed over. None of my State Dept friends uptalk. I've never met a $$ucce$$fuL litigator with that stupid fry.
You haven't met them yet, give it 5-10 years
Anonymous
08/08/2015 17:49
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From the article: "And maybe, just maybe, we should all try to worry less about the way people speak (or dress or...) and instead try to actually listen to and hear what they're saying.
So vocal fry? Don't vocal fry? Do what you want! Because if our crappy earbud headphones have taught us anything, it's that content matters more than the quality of delivery."
Yeah sorry I know this was a posting fail- I like the video but totally disagree with the article. In all parts of life it is not what people say but how they say it. If you uptalk, can't speak with conviction, fry your words, etc I can't take you seriously.
Yes, and I'm a woman in a position to decide whether I hire you, or not.
The 'get a life' PPs may want to consider that.
You wouldn't hire a girl/woman because she speaks with vocal fry? I guess you must be deluged with highly-qualified applicants.
Note that men creak, and men uptalk -- it's just that nobody minds when men do it. They only mind when girls/women do it. Why do you suppose that is?
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=20155
I'm the female dept. head PP back again. Baloney. Uptalking sounds stupid independent of gender. I have a son, he's 12, and you'd better believe I figuratively slap the low-education vocal affectations right out of him when I hear them. To date, he's been guilty of up-talking when telling a long story. I call him on it every time: "And then we went to laser tag? And Aidan was there? And my team had better guns? But we still lost because one wasn't working?"
Uptalking, vocal fry and interminable Uhmmmmmmmms just don't fly in my profession at the higher levels. I only claim to know medicine but I suspect there are other professional settings where the hesistant, hair twirling, faux-ironic voiced applicants also get passed over. None of my State Dept friends uptalk. I've never met a $$ucce$$fuL litigator with that stupid fry.
Anonymous
Anonymous
08/08/2015 17:15
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Op here and I find it really annoying when men do it too. There's one commentator in NPR-I can't even listen to him. It's probably generational. I'm a crabby gen-xer.
+1
Men, women... anyone who speaks with that exaggerated uptick or vocal fry will immediately come across as ignorant. No matter what. It's a terrible way of speaking. Those of you defending it clearly have no clue how repugnant it sounds.
Anonymous
08/08/2015 09:52
Subject: Re:Let's end vocal fry!
I thought this was an interesting discussion about vocal fry and how we have found yet another thing for women to feel self conscious:
http://www.npr.org/2015/07/23/425608745/from-upspeak-to-vocal-fry-are-we-policing-young-womens-voices
http://www.npr.org/2015/07/23/425608745/from-upspeak-to-vocal-fry-are-we-policing-young-womens-voices
Anonymous
08/08/2015 09:35
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Which NPR guy?
I don't mind vocal fry. I HATE the overdone use of "like" and I hate upspeak. Those two things are far, far worse.
I don't mind vocal fry. I HATE the overdone use of "like" and I hate upspeak. Those two things are far, far worse.
Anonymous
08/08/2015 09:28
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
I have a voice that I recognize probably sounds annoying or affected to people. It's very high and squeaky. But I have decided not to change it because I'm not going to change myself for misogynists who mysteriously feel women should not get ahead because they are "annoying" while men are not put in the same position.
Anonymous
08/08/2015 09:16
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op here and I find it really annoying when men do it too. There's one commentator in NPR-I can't even listen to him. It's probably generational. I'm a crabby gen-xer.
I'm a Gen-Xer too, and I figure that it's none of my business how people speak, as long as I can understand them. So no, it's not generational.
Fair enough I'm just crabby then.
As I was reading this I thought of that NPR guy! I don't typically notice affections unless they are literally annoying (sorry, couldn't resist) and typically vocal fry is not bad, but this guy's is super noticeable. It is also a way for women to lower their register and be taken more seriously, especially if they are squeaky talkers. I am a gen-xer, and I was a total like valley-girl talker in my day. Is everyone just jumping on the bandwagon to hate this new thing (it's not new; it's not just young women)? Can you all hear different gradations of this? Because I sure can. It needs to be pretty extreme to get to the annoying camp for me.
Op again-I have noticed it for a long time but didn't know it was a phenomenon. Then I watched the video and learned that it is an actual thing. Fwiw it also really annoys me when people pronounce pink as "peenk".
Anonymous
08/08/2015 09:13
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
It's when the fry is mixed with valley girl that it is annoying (liiike totally).
Anonymous
08/08/2015 08:52
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op here and I find it really annoying when men do it too. There's one commentator in NPR-I can't even listen to him. It's probably generational. I'm a crabby gen-xer.
I'm a Gen-Xer too, and I figure that it's none of my business how people speak, as long as I can understand them. So no, it's not generational.
Fair enough I'm just crabby then.
As I was reading this I thought of that NPR guy! I don't typically notice affections unless they are literally annoying (sorry, couldn't resist) and typically vocal fry is not bad, but this guy's is super noticeable. It is also a way for women to lower their register and be taken more seriously, especially if they are squeaky talkers. I am a gen-xer, and I was a total like valley-girl talker in my day. Is everyone just jumping on the bandwagon to hate this new thing (it's not new; it's not just young women)? Can you all hear different gradations of this? Because I sure can. It needs to be pretty extreme to get to the annoying camp for me.
Anonymous
08/08/2015 08:39
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op here and I find it really annoying when men do it too. There's one commentator in NPR-I can't even listen to him. It's probably generational. I'm a crabby gen-xer.
I'm a Gen-Xer too, and I figure that it's none of my business how people speak, as long as I can understand them. So no, it's not generational.
Fair enough I'm just crabby then.
Anonymous
08/08/2015 08:37
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Mea culpa pp
Anonymous
08/08/2015 08:37
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From the article: "And maybe, just maybe, we should all try to worry less about the way people speak (or dress or...) and instead try to actually listen to and hear what they're saying.
So vocal fry? Don't vocal fry? Do what you want! Because if our crappy earbud headphones have taught us anything, it's that content matters more than the quality of delivery."
Yeah sorry I know this was a posting fail- I like the video but totally disagree with the article. In all parts of life it is not what people say but how they say it. If you uptalk, can't speak with conviction, fry your words, etc I can't take you seriously.
If you post articles that you don't even read in an attempt to police the way people speak, I can't take you seriously.
Mes culpa pp
Anonymous
08/08/2015 08:02
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Op here and I find it really annoying when men do it too. There's one commentator in NPR-I can't even listen to him. It's probably generational. I'm a crabby gen-xer.
I'm a Gen-Xer too, and I figure that it's none of my business how people speak, as long as I can understand them. So no, it's not generational.
Anonymous
08/08/2015 07:54
Subject: Let's end vocal fry!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:From the article: "And maybe, just maybe, we should all try to worry less about the way people speak (or dress or...) and instead try to actually listen to and hear what they're saying.
So vocal fry? Don't vocal fry? Do what you want! Because if our crappy earbud headphones have taught us anything, it's that content matters more than the quality of delivery."
Yeah sorry I know this was a posting fail- I like the video but totally disagree with the article. In all parts of life it is not what people say but how they say it. If you uptalk, can't speak with conviction, fry your words, etc I can't take you seriously.
If you post articles that you don't even read in an attempt to police the way people speak, I can't take you seriously.