Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 09:17     Subject: Re:It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Such a tiresome comment. You do know, OP, that polygamy is against the law for all persons including gay persons, right? So where is the inequity? Where is the correlating issue?

Same with marrying your pet or marrying your son and any of the other ridiculous comparisons made to marriage equality.




You do know that up until recently marrying someone of the same sex was against the law in every society throughout the world, right? You honestly don't see the correlating issue??


Actually, our western culture is built on romantic love, between two people. There are other cultures that have a different kind of love, not romantic love.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 09:14     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's time to change the rules - to benefit single moms and polygamists too


You mean change the laws?
To cater to those who are breaking the law to begin with (polygamists)?
Polygamy will not be legalized and would never be condoned or accepted in this country.


Ha. You are living under a rock. They said that about gay marriage once, too
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 09:11     Subject: Re:It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:Such a tiresome comment. You do know, OP, that polygamy is against the law for all persons including gay persons, right? So where is the inequity? Where is the correlating issue?

Same with marrying your pet or marrying your son and any of the other ridiculous comparisons made to marriage equality.




You do know that up until recently marrying someone of the same sex was against the law in every society throughout the world, right? You honestly don't see the correlating issue??
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 09:09     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
I am a smart single woman raising 3 kids - exhusband is out of the picture and not contributing financially, why do I not get the same tax break on my home that a married person would get? 250k vs 500k for the increase in value?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 09:04     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:It's time to change the rules - to benefit single moms and polygamists too


You mean change the laws?
To cater to those who are breaking the law to begin with (polygamists)?
Polygamy will not be legalized and would never be condoned or accepted in this country.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 09:02     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
It's time to change the rules - to benefit single moms and polygamists too
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 09:00     Subject: Re:It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Such a tiresome comment. You do know, OP, that polygamy is against the law for all persons including gay persons, right? So where is the inequity? Where is the correlating issue?

Same with marrying your pet or marrying your son and any of the other ridiculous comparisons made to marriage equality.



All the arguments apply equally to an adult multi Union.

#twoguysatcana


No. There are a variety of legal rules, inheritance, tax, etc. that are directed to two people. But more pragmatically, the two main problems with plural marriage, not exclusively, are child sex abuse and welfare fraud.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 08:55     Subject: Re:It's time to legalize polygamy...
Such a tiresome comment. You do know, OP, that polygamy is against the law for all persons including gay persons, right? So where is the inequity? Where is the correlating issue?

Same with marrying your pet or marrying your son and any of the other ridiculous comparisons made to marriage equality.

Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 08:52     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
Would the first wife be in the same status as the second? Would the man be able to take on a concubine or a temporary wife?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 08:48     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...


I would LOVE to see what the Mormon Church would do if plural marriage became legal. Would be a real conundrum for them.


why a conundrum?



Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 08:07     Subject: Re:It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:I am a big fan of legalizing it. I would suggest that it would require a different set of rules. Mandatory family trusts? Mandatory declaration of intent of polygamy at first marriage? Mandatory notification of present spouse about new spouse? Waiting period for existing spouse to opt out? Mandatory minimum incomes? Agree it can get complicated. Might have to borrow laws and rules from countries that already do this. But it can be done.
My feeling is that the man should have to state that he intends to be polygamist BEFORE marrying the first wife. Nor surprises. Or, the couple may be able to check a box MONOGAMOUS. If he changes his mind, big fine.
Also, minimum income to get a second spouse. Not an income that comes from the first wife, but a from the husband.
Maybe each of these cases might need to be handled on a case by case basis like an adoption. Each family puts in for approval, based mostly on income.
I guess only 5% of men max would want more than one wife. So it is not a big deal.


Why should it be one man married to more than one woman? If equality then one woman should also be able to marry more than one man, or now between one man and more than one man or between one woman and more than one woman.

If polygamy is legal, then cheating loses its meaning. You cannot accuse dh of cheating because he is doing what is legally permissible to him: finding a 2nd wife (or husband).
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 08:01     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
I am supportive of plural marriage and have been for as long as I can remember. Mostly my position is "If they aren't abusing anyone/anything and aren't involving minors, let them be."

I would LOVE to see what the Mormon Church would do if plural marriage became legal. Would be a real conundrum for them.

I agree there are some real logistical challenges to plural marriage because of how our tax, socoal security, benefit, housing, etc laws are set up.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 07:54     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have to say, if you want the government out of marriage, the government should get out of marriage. Huge problems though when it comes to workplace benefits


It's actually quite simple -- no workplace benefits for any spouses! The idea that a spouse should get benefits even though he or she doesn't work there, is a relic of the 1950's era when the man worked and the woman stayed home. Today the spouse almost certainly has his or her own job, and spousal benefits are a relic of history


There is no way to outlaw a private company from offering benefits.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 07:04     Subject: Re:It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:I am a big fan of legalizing it. I would suggest that it would require a different set of rules. Mandatory family trusts? Mandatory declaration of intent of polygamy at first marriage? Mandatory notification of present spouse about new spouse? Waiting period for existing spouse to opt out? Mandatory minimum incomes? Agree it can get complicated. Might have to borrow laws and rules from countries that already do this. But it can be done.
My feeling is that the man should have to state that he intends to be polygamist BEFORE marrying the first wife. Nor surprises. Or, the couple may be able to check a box MONOGAMOUS. If he changes his mind, big fine.
Also, minimum income to get a second spouse. Not an income that comes from the first wife, but a from the husband.
Maybe each of these cases might need to be handled on a case by case basis like an adoption. Each family puts in for approval, based mostly on income.
I guess only 5% of men max would want more than one wife. So it is not a big deal.



In all the polyamourous relationships I've heard of, it consists of a bisexual female, her husband, and her girlfriend. I'm assuming that if polygamous marriage were legalized in this country, we'd see way more of that model than the husband with 5 wives. At least outside of Utah.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2015 06:59     Subject: It's time to legalize polygamy...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Committed triads (or throuples) and other arrangements between consenting adults are private matters in which the government has no business.


You could say the same about gay marriage.


Exactly. Which is exactly why gay marriage is now legally recognized. When the government decided to recognize (grant specific legal status and benefits to) one type of committed relationship between consenting adults (heterosexual marriage) that then obligated it to grant the same status to any consenting adult arrangement, in my opinion, because it is not the government's business and thus the government should not be favoring one loving relationship over another.



Really, so for the thousands of years that governments throughout the world have recognized marriage between men and women, they should have also been recognizing it between men+men and women's+women?