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if my child ever socially excluded another child (you can't say you can't play) or worse, I absolutely would want to know. I also will raise hell if this happens to him.

Okay, here's a situation: There's no more room at a table--Johnny comes and finds nowhere to sit. Are you sure your child would jump up and sit at another table with Johnny so that Johnny wouldn't be alone?

Another situation: Kids are in the middle of a game on the playground. Sophie doesn't like the game and asks a couple of the girls to play with her instead. They like the game. Sophie goes home and tells Mom that no one would play with her. It's true--but it is not the whole story. Mom hits the roof and comes to school and yells at the teacher--who knows nothing about what happened.

People, your kids do lots of things you do not know about. If you are concerned, then be sure you invite all the kids to your child's birthday party.

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Anonymous wrote:At my kids' ES, kids often volunteer during lunch to work with PEP and SCB. So it's actually part of the culture, which is lovely. My daughter tried, but she was beaten to it!

OP here. PP, this is the kind of school and the kind of students I would like my SN child to be around. May I ask - what school this is? I honestly would consider even moving to a district like this in the future. I have other children and would want them to be in this kind of school too.

As for the PP who said her daughter prefers smart, well behaved children and would likely not go out of her way to show friendliness toward SN kids, I'm happy that your daughter is neurotypical to enjoy such friendships. However, I would ask how you would want your daughter to be treated if she were born with CP, DS, ASD, any special needs that clearly distinguishes her from classmates. If she sat alone on a bench while 80 children her age played at recess daily, would you want others to go up to her and encourage her to join them? Or would you prefer she sat alone daily?

That's not reasonable to place that kind of responsibility on young kids to expect them to friend others and have them feel included. That is the teacher's job. Its great you are advocating for your daughter and if you do it at school it may help many kids but just to expect young kids to do it without guidance and support is unreaslistic.

It is teh parents job to provide that guidance and support (i.e. YOU). that is why the op posted.

if my child ever socially excluded another child (you can't say you can't play) or worse, I absolutely would want to know. I also will raise hell if this happens to him.

if my child ever socially excluded another child (you can't say you can't play) or worse, I absolutely would want to know. I also will raise hell if this happens to him.

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Sounds to me you jumped the gun a bit in your assumptions. No one is mandating a utopian culture or else. This is a request for additional tolerance for children with challenges. The less tolerant our children are, the worse it is for
Society as a whole

Maybe, but, as I said, DD was bullied unmercifully in fourth grade. However, you cannot make others like your child. You have to work with your child to be nice to others. We worked with the counselor and she chose the teachers who could better work with my DD and she also was careful which other kids were in the class. That helped.
The fourth grade teacher was a lovely person--but the bullying did not happen in front of her. Teasing, etc, occurred on playground, hallways, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:At my kids' ES, kids often volunteer during lunch to work with PEP and SCB. So it's actually part of the culture, which is lovely. My daughter tried, but she was beaten to it!

OP here. PP, this is the kind of school and the kind of students I would like my SN child to be around. May I ask - what school this is? I honestly would consider even moving to a district like this in the future. I have other children and would want them to be in this kind of school too.

As for the PP who said her daughter prefers smart, well behaved children and would likely not go out of her way to show friendliness toward SN kids, I'm happy that your daughter is neurotypical to enjoy such friendships. However, I would ask how you would want your daughter to be treated if she were born with CP, DS, ASD, any special needs that clearly distinguishes her from classmates. If she sat alone on a bench while 80 children her age played at recess daily, would you want others to go up to her and encourage her to join them? Or would you prefer she sat alone daily?

That's not reasonable to place that kind of responsibility on young kids to expect them to friend others and have them feel included. That is the teacher's job. Its great you are advocating for your daughter and if you do it at school it may help many kids but just to expect young kids to do it without guidance and support is unreaslistic.

Sounds to me you jumped the gun a bit in your assumptions. No one is mandating a utopian culture or else. This is a request for additional tolerance for children with challenges. The less tolerant our children are, the worse it is for
Society as a whole

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Its to teach tolerance of differences.

There is a difference between tolerance and being BFF.

I'm one of those people who cannot stand the smell of some of those lip balms. Has it occurred to you that it might be offensive to the others? Have you talked to your son about adjusting his own behavior? I understand that social skills may be difficult for him (I have a DD who has/had difficulty with social skills and was bullied, so I am not unsympathetic) but you cannot expect everyone to adjust to him. Tolerance? Yes. Are they really mean to him? Or, is it his perception?

Does he listen to others? You talk about others talking over him. Was the lip balm distracting him and others? Do you want others to be nice to him because they feel sorry for him--or do you want them to like him? Sounds to me like you think this is a one way street.

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Anonymous wrote:

Its to teach tolerance of differences.

There is a difference between tolerance and being BFF.

I'm one of those people who cannot stand the smell of some of those lip balms. Has it occurred to you that it might be offensive to the others? Have you talked to your son about adjusting his own behavior? I understand that social skills may be difficult for him (I have a DD who has/had difficulty with social skills and was bullied, so I am not unsympathetic) but you cannot expect everyone to adjust to him. Tolerance? Yes. Are they really mean to him? Or, is it his perception?

Does he listen to others? You talk about others talking over him. Was the lip balm distracting him and others? Do you want others to be nice to him because they feel sorry for him--or do you want them to like him? Sounds to me like you think this is a one way street.

+1, I get bad migraines. If I see a kid using something scented, including hand sanitizer, we walk the other way. Scents are a huge trigger for me.

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Anonymous wrote:Does he/she try to get to know them? When he/she sees them eating alone at lunch, having no one to talk to at recess, do they shrug their shoulders and ignore or do they try to include them in a game or play? Do they speak kindly to them in group activities?

My child is special needs and after years of watching how he has been treated in schools by peers and teachers, I have come to realize that parents and teachers are not doing enough to show the value of special needs children. My child has been shoved in the hallways, is the only person at recess to not have anyone to play with, and is bullied by exclusion even in the classroom. Children will talk over his voice to discourage him from speaking in class. Children will ask other children to not speak to him. When my child tries to speak to other children, they pretend as if they don't hear.

He has sensory issues and likes to smell nice things. He once took his scented lip balm and rubbed it across his own sheet of paper so he would have something to smell throughout class. His AAP teacher came over to his desk, confiscated the lip balm as well as the paper and then kept him after class for 30 minutes to interrogate him about his unusual behavior. He was not permitted to go to kiss and ride and I was left wondering where my child is. My child suffers from ADHD and sensory issues.

Teachers have, unbeknownst to us, reduced his work load and changed his curriculum in certain subjects to help him get through material quickly so they can simply pass him rather than suggesting additional supports be placed within his existing IEP. His education this year would have been compromised had we not learned about this and quickly jumped in to ask for additional supports in his IEP.

At the age of 9, after enduring these assaults and insults every day in school, my child told me he wished he had never been born.

I am writing this in the general parenting forum to ask parents to speak to their children about how to treat special needs children. No matter what the special needs are, whether they are unmotivated or seemingly lazy in class, no matter if they have a tic, no matter if they make weird noises in class, no matter if they appear unintelligent, please ask your children to go out of their way to be kind and patient with them.

Making special needs children feel included is a reflection of our humanity.

It's not the kids - it's the school. They are allowing that to happen and most likely encouraging it unintentionally by not fostering an inclusive environment. We cannot tell our kids what to do in school when we have no idea what's going on there. And telling them in general to include others and be nice doesn't help. The people who are there have to make sure this doesn't happen, and they aren't doing that. Your school sucks. Period. Mine does too. Lots of them do. It's up to us to change things or get our kids out of there.

Do you invite other kids for playdates? Do you attend class parties and school events to meet other parents? Those things really help. It's not going to happen on its own, and other parents aren't going to do it for you. You need to make a change.

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Its to teach tolerance of differences.

There is a difference between tolerance and being BFF.

I'm one of those people who cannot stand the smell of some of those lip balms. Has it occurred to you that it might be offensive to the others? Have you talked to your son about adjusting his own behavior? I understand that social skills may be difficult for him (I have a DD who has/had difficulty with social skills and was bullied, so I am not unsympathetic) but you cannot expect everyone to adjust to him. Tolerance? Yes. Are they really mean to him? Or, is it his perception?

Does he listen to others? You talk about others talking over him. Was the lip balm distracting him and others? Do you want others to be nice to him because they feel sorry for him--or do you want them to like him? Sounds to me like you think this is a one way street.

Its to teach tolerance of differences.

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Anonymous wrote:Does he/she try to get to know them? When he/she sees them eating alone at lunch, having no one to talk to at recess, do they shrug their shoulders and ignore or do they try to include them in a game or play? Do they speak kindly to them in group activities?

My child is special needs and after years of watching how he has been treated in schools by peers and teachers, I have come to realize that parents and teachers are not doing enough to show the value of special needs children. My child has been shoved in the hallways, is the only person at recess to not have anyone to play with, and is bullied by exclusion even in the classroom. Children will talk over his voice to discourage him from speaking in class. Children will ask other children to not speak to him. When my child tries to speak to other children, they pretend as if they don't hear.

He has sensory issues and likes to smell nice things. He once took his scented lip balm and rubbed it across his own sheet of paper so he would have something to smell throughout class. His AAP teacher came over to his desk, confiscated the lip balm as well as the paper and then kept him after class for 30 minutes to interrogate him about his unusual behavior. He was not permitted to go to kiss and ride and I was left wondering where my child is. My child suffers from ADHD and sensory issues.

Teachers have, unbeknownst to us, reduced his work load and changed his curriculum in certain subjects to help him get through material quickly so they can simply pass him rather than suggesting additional supports be placed within his existing IEP. His education this year would have been compromised had we not learned about this and quickly jumped in to ask for additional supports in his IEP.

At the age of 9, after enduring these assaults and insults every day in school, my child told me he wished he had never been born.

I am writing this in the general parenting forum to ask parents to speak to their children about how to treat special needs children. No matter what the special needs are, whether they are unmotivated or seemingly lazy in class, no matter if they have a tic, no matter if they make weird noises in class, no matter if they appear unintelligent, please ask your children to go out of their way to be kind and patient with them.

Making special needs children feel included is a reflection of our humanity.

Your child doesn't have "special needs"

Once you stop using that as a crutch, only then are you going to be able to help your child. Lots of kids have sensory issues. In fact lots of adults have them. They learn to control the impulse but your child with ADHD needs more help with impulse control. Medication and explicit instructions. "Don't sniff papers all during class. It's not acceptable classroom behavior." Kids with ADHD are often not pick up context or inferential clues. That's not a special need, it's lack of attention.

The social situation you describe -meh, happens to lots of kids labeled and not labeled by their parent. Approach the school counselor, teacher, and do work outside of school - arrange play dates, get to know kids and parents.