Anonymous
05/09/2015 06:17
Subject: Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Some people here seem to think they are an expert on how gifted children behave.
Here's what Hoagies' gifted has to say about boredom in gifted kids: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/never_say_bored.htm
I've had continuing education classes on this topic and totally disagree. I've lived it with truly gifted children in my classes see how they create their own stimulation with whatever is presented. For example, if I we were doing a journal entry for the 78th time that school year (first grade) and I ask the children to write a fiction story, a gifted child's story will be longer, contain amazing details (often using non-fiction supporting details or fantasy details). The one that I can recall right now was written by a first grade boy about a mummy which seems innocent enough and typical enough for a first grader) but this one had details about the Egyptian sarcophagus', why they were used, how they looked, etc. Nearly all first grade boys would write a FICTION mummy story about mummies with a focus about the Halloween-aspect of a mummy story.
When we wrote letters one year, one gifted student took the assignment and wrote the letter so it when vertically down the page with one word (Dear) and then two (Sweet Mom,) and then three, etc. so the whole letter went numerically increasingly down the page until it reached 26 numbered words in the line. (He asked for tape to tape pages together. If we were doing relatively simple math, a gifted child would hand in her sheet and there was the right answer circled each time but next to it there might have been 5-6 different ways shown how she came up with the right answer using different methods.
Anonymous
05/09/2015 00:11
Subject: Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Some people here seem to think they are an expert on how gifted children behave.
Here's what Hoagies' gifted has to say about boredom in gifted kids: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/never_say_bored.htm
Here's what Hoagies' gifted has to say about boredom in gifted kids: http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/never_say_bored.htm
Anonymous
05/08/2015 21:35
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
This is b.s. If a child is doing work below his/her instructional level, it will be boring, especially if there is no natural extension to the work. It's hard to tease out though because school is kinda boring for a lot of kids, so it's hard to say if it's due to lack of challenge or impatience with sitting at a desk for most of the day. Some kids also tolerate lack of challenge better than others.
It is absolutely not b.s. I'm talking about truly gifted children. When writing about something a gifted child has already easily digested long ago, you'll see things in his writing that are new, unique and insightful. Apply this now to math, science or any other subject. For you to say school is boring for "lots of kids" this is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the rare, truly gifted child.
Yes, because gifted kids are all the sameThe absolute statements on this board are entertaining.
Gifted kids find ways to make things interesting and fresh in their minds. They can get bored with having to do 2 digit addition again and again. But then they might get tired of being bored and come up with a new method, make different connections or something different. I agree that the truly gifted child doesn't stay bored. I actually think that this is the very best criteria to use to identify a gifted child. For the record, my child doesn't qualify.
While this is accurate, parents of kids who are bored will report back that their geniuses have been bored and therefore the absolute statements on this board are entertaining.
Actually, I'm the one who said the absolute statements on this board are entertaining. My kids don't complain about being bored and, despite that, I don't think they are geniuses. But go ahead and keep making generalizations as you seem to like doing that.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 20:56
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
This is b.s. If a child is doing work below his/her instructional level, it will be boring, especially if there is no natural extension to the work. It's hard to tease out though because school is kinda boring for a lot of kids, so it's hard to say if it's due to lack of challenge or impatience with sitting at a desk for most of the day. Some kids also tolerate lack of challenge better than others.
It is absolutely not b.s. I'm talking about truly gifted children. When writing about something a gifted child has already easily digested long ago, you'll see things in his writing that are new, unique and insightful. Apply this now to math, science or any other subject. For you to say school is boring for "lots of kids" this is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the rare, truly gifted child.
Yes, because gifted kids are all the same
Gifted kids find ways to make things interesting and fresh in their minds. They can get bored with having to do 2 digit addition again and again. But then they might get tired of being bored and come up with a new method, make different connections or something different. I agree that the truly gifted child doesn't stay bored. I actually think that this is the very best criteria to use to identify a gifted child. For the record, my child doesn't qualify.
While this is accurate, parents of kids who are bored will report back that their geniuses have been bored and therefore the absolute statements on this board are entertaining.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 20:19
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
This is b.s. If a child is doing work below his/her instructional level, it will be boring, especially if there is no natural extension to the work. It's hard to tease out though because school is kinda boring for a lot of kids, so it's hard to say if it's due to lack of challenge or impatience with sitting at a desk for most of the day. Some kids also tolerate lack of challenge better than others.
It is absolutely not b.s. I'm talking about truly gifted children. When writing about something a gifted child has already easily digested long ago, you'll see things in his writing that are new, unique and insightful. Apply this now to math, science or any other subject. For you to say school is boring for "lots of kids" this is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the rare, truly gifted child.
Yes, because gifted kids are all the same
Gifted kids find ways to make things interesting and fresh in their minds. They can get bored with having to do 2 digit addition again and again. But then they might get tired of being bored and come up with a new method, make different connections or something different. I agree that the truly gifted child doesn't stay bored. I actually think that this is the very best criteria to use to identify a gifted child. For the record, my child doesn't qualify.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 19:59
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
This is b.s. If a child is doing work below his/her instructional level, it will be boring, especially if there is no natural extension to the work. It's hard to tease out though because school is kinda boring for a lot of kids, so it's hard to say if it's due to lack of challenge or impatience with sitting at a desk for most of the day. Some kids also tolerate lack of challenge better than others.
It is absolutely not b.s. I'm talking about truly gifted children. When writing about something a gifted child has already easily digested long ago, you'll see things in his writing that are new, unique and insightful. Apply this now to math, science or any other subject. For you to say school is boring for "lots of kids" this is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the rare, truly gifted child.
Yes, because gifted kids are all the same
Anonymous
05/08/2015 19:45
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
This is b.s. If a child is doing work below his/her instructional level, it will be boring, especially if there is no natural extension to the work. It's hard to tease out though because school is kinda boring for a lot of kids, so it's hard to say if it's due to lack of challenge or impatience with sitting at a desk for most of the day. Some kids also tolerate lack of challenge better than others.
It is absolutely not b.s. I'm talking about truly gifted children. When writing about something a gifted child has already easily digested long ago, you'll see things in his writing that are new, unique and insightful. Apply this now to math, science or any other subject. For you to say school is boring for "lots of kids" this is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the rare, truly gifted child.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 18:33
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
This is b.s. If a child is doing work below his/her instructional level, it will be boring, especially if there is no natural extension to the work. It's hard to tease out though because school is kinda boring for a lot of kids, so it's hard to say if it's due to lack of challenge or impatience with sitting at a desk for most of the day. Some kids also tolerate lack of challenge better than others.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 18:22
Subject: Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:DC is in 2nd grade and was rejected for AAP. Is there anything I can infer from these scores? She's taking the WISC tomorrow.
NNAT 107
CogAT 119 verbal SAS
CogAT 122 quantitative SAS
CogAT 110 nonverbal SAS
GBRS 9
Working at advanced level
Math N
Verbal N
Your child's verbal and quantitative scores look to be around 90th percentile and those are the areas most often used in school work. This likely puts her near the top of her class in school, depending on the demographics of the school she is at. Non verbal (nnat and cogat) are somewhat lower.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 18:04
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
OP - Took test today, scores won't be in until next week.
To the few people who actually commented on the scores - thank you.
To the others - you win, I won't be back.
To the few people who actually commented on the scores - thank you.
To the others - you win, I won't be back.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 16:42
Subject: Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
So what was the WISC score, OP?
Anonymous
05/08/2015 13:45
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
Gifted children will figure out ways to entertain themselves. It may cause trouble....
Excuses, excuses.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 13:03
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gifted kids are rarely bored. It's a myth that a child is bored in school because she's so gifted.
+1,000,000 (former teacher here)
Gifted children will figure out ways to entertain themselves. It may cause trouble....
Anonymous
05/08/2015 12:53
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
Anonymous wrote:If you read OP's initial post, DC will take the WISC 5/8 so OP will have these results today. The COGAT, NNAT shows the child be above average but not having the commonly found scores that AAP eligible kids have. GBRS of 9 is faint praise. No one (or almost no one) is are being taught above grade level in 2nd grade, although it's not uncommon for kids to be reading above grade level. Let's wait for OP's report on WISC before sniping at anecdotal details "bored, etc"
My now AAP third grader was receiving above grade level instruction in both math and language arts in second grade. Again, the poster was only asking how to interpret THE scores she already has. She was not asking for help interpreting the scores she already has in light of a score she will be getting likely today.
Anonymous
05/08/2015 12:33
Subject: Re:Need help interpreting CogAT, NNAT, GBRS
If you read OP's initial post, DC will take the WISC 5/8 so OP will have these results today. The COGAT, NNAT shows the child be above average but not having the commonly found scores that AAP eligible kids have. GBRS of 9 is faint praise. No one (or almost no one) is are being taught above grade level in 2nd grade, although it's not uncommon for kids to be reading above grade level. Let's wait for OP's report on WISC before sniping at anecdotal details "bored, etc"