Anonymous
04/20/2015 17:51
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Neither Moses nor any person who has never heard of Christ or his teachings are in Hell.
Where are they? Certainly not in heaven -- that's for saved Christians only -- according to saved Christians.
Wrong. Are you Catholic or not Christian? The obligation to enter the kingdom of heaven through Christ doesn't apply if you have no possibility of knowing of Christ, as least as most current American Christians believe it.
So if one Christian proselytizer comes to your door and you turn him away, you're hell-bound, but if no one ever tells you about Christ, you will end up living with him forever.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 17:48
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everyone has a soul- human, neanderthal, animal, insect.
I agree that either everyone has it -- or, alternatively, no one has it. Yet some religion traditions, like Christianity, believe only humans do. How do they square that?
No, that's not true. Lots of Christians believe that animals have souls -- see CS Lewis as just one example. The Blessing of the Animals has long been a tradition in Christian churches. It's true that some Christian denominations don't believe this, but you certainly can't say that all Christian traditions believe animals have no souls.
According to Christian teachings, only people who have accepted Christ as their savior can go to heaven, so that rules out not only Neanderthals, but all humans who were born before the time of Christ and people born since who have have not accepted him as their savior.
Christians teach that only God judges, and that before Christ was born, He formed a relationship with the Jewish people. So we expect to see many people in Heaven who are not your run-of-the-mill "accepted Christ as savior" types.
So there will be pre-Christ Jews in heaven -- but not post-Christ jews, right. They had their chance and blew it.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 17:46
Subject: Re:Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic and I believe animals have souls. No doubt about it.
But you didn't learn that in catechism -- you probably just made it yourself because you like the idea. That's not the way Catholicism works
Anonymous
04/20/2015 17:46
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everyone has a soul- human, neanderthal, animal, insect.
I agree that either everyone has it -- or, alternatively, no one has it. Yet some religion traditions, like Christianity, believe only humans do. How do they square that?
No, that's not true. Lots of Christians believe that animals have souls -- see CS Lewis as just one example. The Blessing of the Animals has long been a tradition in Christian churches. It's true that some Christian denominations don't believe this, but you certainly can't say that all Christian traditions believe animals have no souls.
According to Christian teachings, only people who have accepted Christ as their savior can go to heaven, so that rules out not only Neanderthals, but all humans who were born before the time of Christ and people born since who have have not accepted him as their savior.
Christians teach that only God judges, and that before Christ was born, He formed a relationship with the Jewish people. So we expect to see many people in Heaven who are not your run-of-the-mill "accepted Christ as savior" types.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 17:43
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everyone has a soul- human, neanderthal, animal, insect.
OP- I wrote this response but didn't read your last question before I did. I don't see any distinction between human and animal- I treat them the same. I would like to believe God does too. So Neanderthal vs human vs animal- I don't see a difference.
so there will be mosquitos in heaven?
Yes. But not Democrats. Too annoying.
zing.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 17:29
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everyone has a soul- human, neanderthal, animal, insect.
OP- I wrote this response but didn't read your last question before I did. I don't see any distinction between human and animal- I treat them the same. I would like to believe God does too. So Neanderthal vs human vs animal- I don't see a difference.
so there will be mosquitos in heaven?
Yes. But not Democrats. Too annoying.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 16:57
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Where are they? Certainly not in heaven -- that's for saved Christians only -- according to saved Christians.
Wrong. Are you Catholic or not Christian? The obligation to enter the kingdom of heaven through Christ doesn't apply if you have no possibility of knowing of Christ, as least as most current American Christians believe it.
I think PP has been reading Dante, who puts the people who died before Christ in the first circle where there is "no hope" because Christ represents hope. Except for Virgil, of course, but even Virgil only gets so far.
However, in 2015 we don't rely for our theology on the literature of the middle ages.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 16:41
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Everyone has a soul- human, neanderthal, animal, insect.
I agree that either everyone has it -- or, alternatively, no one has it. Yet some religion traditions, like Christianity, believe only humans do. How do they square that?
No, that's not true. Lots of Christians believe that animals have souls -- see CS Lewis as just one example. The Blessing of the Animals has long been a tradition in Christian churches. It's true that some Christian denominations don't believe this, but you certainly can't say that all Christian traditions believe animals have no souls.
According to Christian teachings, only people who have accepted Christ as their savior can go to heaven, so that rules out not only Neanderthals, but all humans who were born before the time of Christ and people born since who have have not accepted him as their savior.
So Moses is in Hell?
No. Read Hebrews 11. In the times before Christ, many still looked toward the promise of His coming. Hebrews 11 is clear about this. Those who had faith in this promise were saved and are in Heaven. The answers are all there if you read the Bible.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 16:38
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:12:45, Christians don't believe that everyone who died before Christ was born has no chance at salvation. In death you have a chance to embrace God even if you didn't in life. Not all Christians think you have to accept Christ before death.
Hebrews 9:27: "It is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgment."
No, you do not have a chance to accept Christ after you die.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 15:08
Subject: Re:Did Neanderthal have a soul?
I am Catholic and I believe animals have souls. No doubt about it.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 15:03
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Neither Moses nor any person who has never heard of Christ or his teachings are in Hell.
Where are they? Certainly not in heaven -- that's for saved Christians only -- according to saved Christians.
Wrong. Are you Catholic or not Christian? The obligation to enter the kingdom of heaven through Christ doesn't apply if you have no possibility of knowing of Christ, as least as most current American Christians believe it.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 14:22
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:12:45, Christians don't believe that everyone who died before Christ was born has no chance at salvation. In death you have a chance to embrace God even if you didn't in life. Not all Christians think you have to accept Christ before death.
That's the Mormons, right -- who baptize people after death? -- sometimes many years after death -- like the Jews who died in the Holocaust. Imagine their surprise to wake up decades later in Mormon heaven. wonder where they were in the interim.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 14:19
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Neither Moses nor any person who has never heard of Christ or his teachings are in Hell.
Where are they? Certainly not in heaven -- that's for saved Christians only -- according to saved Christians.
Limbo, maybe -- but that's only for Catholics, I think, and even they got rid of it a while back.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 14:14
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Anonymous wrote:Neither Moses nor any person who has never heard of Christ or his teachings are in Hell.
Where are they? Certainly not in heaven -- that's for saved Christians only -- according to saved Christians.
Anonymous
04/20/2015 13:20
Subject: Did Neanderthal have a soul?
Neither Moses nor any person who has never heard of Christ or his teachings are in Hell.