Anonymous
04/18/2015 21:21
Subject: Re:failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:Can she get certified to teach public school? If she goes through an alternative certification program, they will pay for the classes she needs to get certified, so she doesn't need to take out more loans. Many school districts will count her law degree as a doctorate for teacher salary purposes, and every district in the DC area has a bunch of teachers with JDs. Plus, she would eventually qualify for loan forgiveness.
I've only seen the for emotional/behavioral disability programs, are there others?
Anonymous
04/18/2015 21:13
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Op here. I think she likes law and would like to be a lawyer. She has about 300k in loans from undergrad and law school. She is running in to trouble becuase she has no real skill set for which people will hire her and a huge gap in her resume. I think she would eagerly do the contracts or compliance for a company or the government but I don't think she could get one of those jobs. She can't even seem to get doc review jobs. She lives in DC with her parents who support her but aren't wealthy so can't pay off her loans and don't have connections for her.
I honestly think she should look into becoming an expat, working abroad, and defaulting.
What is wrong with you?!
Anonymous
04/18/2015 20:50
Subject: Re:failed the bar 3x...
Can she get certified to teach public school? If she goes through an alternative certification program, they will pay for the classes she needs to get certified, so she doesn't need to take out more loans. Many school districts will count her law degree as a doctorate for teacher salary purposes, and every district in the DC area has a bunch of teachers with JDs. Plus, she would eventually qualify for loan forgiveness.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 20:44
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
If she is hot there are options there, ranging from dancing/escort work to being the SAH wife to a powerful man.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 20:37
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:my niece has failed the bar 3 x... 2x in new york and 1x in massachusetts. she has been unemployed since law school graduation in 2013. any advice on what to make of this/what she should do? should she still even try to practice law? she went to a bad law school and has huge debt.
I failed 4 including the other states. It's a mind / confidence now. She knows more law now than any attorney practicing. I guarantee it!
I highly doubt that.
Because you are dumb. Anybody with any sense can tell the bar exam has nothing to do with the practice of law.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 20:36
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Can she go into patent law? The USPTO comes to mind, though I have heard people complain the work is not exciting.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 20:35
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:Op here. I think she likes law and would like to be a lawyer. She has about 300k in loans from undergrad and law school. She is running in to trouble becuase she has no real skill set for which people will hire her and a huge gap in her resume. I think she would eagerly do the contracts or compliance for a company or the government but I don't think she could get one of those jobs. She can't even seem to get doc review jobs. She lives in DC with her parents who support her but aren't wealthy so can't pay off her loans and don't have connections for her.
She needs to get a federal government job ASAP. Get into the public loan forgiveness program. Use the income continent repayment option which should be very low (maybe even 0) if she starts at a gs 9 or lower. 10 years and the fed loans are forgiven.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 20:03
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Tons of people with JDs don't practice law formally. So, there's nothing precluding her from getting a job. But I suppose most have passed the bar. I passed the bar right out of law school but took a policy job so I don't officially practice. Maybe pursue a non legal policy or advocacy job at a nonprofit or government? Or look into jobs at a state or local bar association?
Anonymous
04/18/2015 20:02
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:My BIL who went to Thomas M. Cooley (and flunked out once and still paid to go back and finish), which is the lowest ranked school, took and passed the New Mexico bar exam on DH's advice and works as a public defender in some town nobody would ever want to live in.
So if she really wants to be a lawyer, it's possible, but it's probably not worth it.
Cooley always gets a bad name but the majority of grads from there know more law upon graduating, than those that went to top tier schools.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 19:38
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:my niece has failed the bar 3 x... 2x in new york and 1x in massachusetts. she has been unemployed since law school graduation in 2013. any advice on what to make of this/what she should do? should she still even try to practice law? she went to a bad law school and has huge debt.
I failed 4 including the other states. It's a mind / confidence now. She knows more law now than any attorney practicing. I guarantee it!
I highly doubt that.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 19:33
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Another field. Stat. Bad law school. Bad grades. Can't pass bars. Not a lawyer!
Anonymous
04/18/2015 19:33
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:my niece has failed the bar 3 x... 2x in new york and 1x in massachusetts. she has been unemployed since law school graduation in 2013. any advice on what to make of this/what she should do? should she still even try to practice law? she went to a bad law school and has huge debt.
I failed 4 including the other states. It's a mind / confidence now. She knows more law now than any attorney practicing. I guarantee it!
Are you serious? Memorizing legal tests is not the same as knowing the law. And I would never hire an attorney that I knew had failed the bar multiple times. Once can be bad luck or a bad day, but it is absolutely a lack of intelligence after multiple fails.
Are you a lawyer? Do you even know what you're talking about?
Anonymous
04/18/2015 19:30
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:my niece has failed the bar 3 x... 2x in new york and 1x in massachusetts. she has been unemployed since law school graduation in 2013. any advice on what to make of this/what she should do? should she still even try to practice law? she went to a bad law school and has huge debt.
I failed 4 including the other states. It's a mind / confidence now. She knows more law now than any attorney practicing. I guarantee it!
Are you serious? Memorizing legal tests is not the same as knowing the law. And I would never hire an attorney that I knew had failed the bar multiple times. Once can be bad luck or a bad day, but it is absolutely a lack of intelligence after multiple fails.
Anonymous
04/18/2015 19:26
Subject: failed the bar 3x...
Anonymous wrote:my niece has failed the bar 3 x... 2x in new york and 1x in massachusetts. she has been unemployed since law school graduation in 2013. any advice on what to make of this/what she should do? should she still even try to practice law? she went to a bad law school and has huge debt.
I failed 4 including the other states. It's a mind / confidence now. She knows more law now than any attorney practicing. I guarantee it!
Anonymous
04/18/2015 18:46
Subject: Re:failed the bar 3x...
Perhaps she could work as a paralegal?