Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lafayette and Janney have about 700 kids and are approx 75% white. That is a huge sample size. Room for variation!

With samples that large, the metrics above certainly are not due to sampling error. They represent real performance - or lack thereof.

To tell you the truth, I find it very hard to believe. Over 60% white students test at Advanced level at Hearst and Oyster, and only 40% or so at Mann and Key?

And why is that so hard to believe?

I personally love how the basis for comparison of schools is dccas data and parents are appalled at the idea of teach to the test schools schools. The point is to be meeting children where they are and providing them with an outstanding education in a warm and inclusive community (at least that is what I want for my kids).

My kids are at a jklm school. My daughter in a testing grade scores advanced, I expect my other child is likely to as well when she reaches testing grades. My love of our school is not pinned to a given year's test scores because I am confident in the quality of education she is receiving and that they are not in fact teaching to the test. Nothing about this data makes me question whether my children are at the best school, I think they are in my admittedly biased opinion.

And I would like to see how we can bring this line of thinking (thank god my child's HRCS out s ores the jklm schools, it must be better) into the thread about the benefit of a HRCS being that it does not teach to the test.

Are these the same parents or different groups of parents? Does anyone opting out of the tests themselves care about a school's test score when selecting a school?

Anonymous wrote:Lafayette and Janney have about 700 kids and are approx 75% white. That is a huge sample size. Room for variation!

With samples that large, the metrics above certainly are not due to sampling error. They represent real performance - or lack thereof.

To tell you the truth, I find it very hard to believe. Over 60% white students test at Advanced level at Hearst and Oyster, and only 40% or so at Mann and Key?

what is the source of this data?

Lafayette and Janney have about 700 kids and are approx 75% white. That is a huge sample size. Room for variation!

I have no idea how accurate/meaningful these data are, but how much do I love that the much maligned Hearst (from the JKLM crowd) is atop both these lists??

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to add a note to be REALLY careful about interpreting this data without looking at sample sizes. At some of these schools, the sample size of white kids in 3rd-5th may be large. At others, it may be <10 kids.

Correct except to show data you have to have >10 students.

Right... so 10 kids. Or some other number that it statistically not comparable to a number in the hundreds from some other schools.

Anonymous wrote:In case anyone was curious with what I found:

Proficient and Advanced, White students, 3rd-5th:
**Shepherd, Bancroft, LT, DC Bilingual, and LAMB didn't have enough white students to list
Ross 100.00%
Two Rivers 97.32%
Hearst 96.67%
Eaton 96.47%
Oyster 95.98%
Mann 95.63%
Inspired 95.45%
Maury 95.45%
Stokes 95.45%
Capital City 95.45%
Lafayette 95.06%
Stoddert 93.23%
Janney 93.04%
Key 91.76%
Murch 91.56%
Yu Ying 90.54%
Haynes 90.00%
Logan 84.38%
Brent 83.62%

Advanced:

Hearst 66.67%
Oyster Adams 60.92%
Stoddert 50.56%
Ross 50.00%
Janney 48.10%
Two Rivers 47.32%
Lafayette 46.38%
Inspired 45.45%
Haynes 44.00%
Eaton 43.53%
Mann 41.65%
Key 39.01%
Murch 37.50%
Brent 35.34%
Maury 34.85%
Stokes 31.82%
Yu Ying 31.08%
Capital City 25.00%
Logan 15.63%

If the Advanced metrics there are true, this is the end of JKLM.

PP, can you doublecheck to make sure those data points are correct?

Anonymous wrote:Just wanted to add a note to be REALLY careful about interpreting this data without looking at sample sizes. At some of these schools, the sample size of white kids in 3rd-5th may be large. At others, it may be <10 kids.

Correct except to show data you have to have >10 students.

Combined

Anonymous wrote:In case anyone was curious with what I found:

Proficient and Advanced, White students, 3rd-5th:
**Shepherd, Bancroft, LT, DC Bilingual, and LAMB didn't have enough white students to list
Ross 100.00%
Two Rivers 97.32%
Hearst 96.67%
Eaton 96.47%
Oyster 95.98%
Mann 95.63%
Inspired 95.45%
Maury 95.45%
Stokes 95.45%
Capital City 95.45%
Lafayette 95.06%
Stoddert 93.23%
Janney 93.04%
Key 91.76%
Murch 91.56%
Yu Ying 90.54%
Haynes 90.00%
Logan 84.38%
Brent 83.62%

Advanced:

Hearst 66.67%
Oyster Adams 60.92%
Stoddert 50.56%
Ross 50.00%
Janney 48.10%
Two Rivers 47.32%
Lafayette 46.38%
Inspired 45.45%
Haynes 44.00%
Eaton 43.53%
Mann 41.65%
Key 39.01%
Murch 37.50%
Brent 35.34%
Maury 34.85%
Stokes 31.82%
Yu Ying 31.08%
Capital City 25.00%
Logan 15.63%

Are these reading or math scores?

Just wanted to add a note to be REALLY careful about interpreting this data without looking at sample sizes. At some of these schools, the sample size of white kids in 3rd-5th may be large. At others, it may be <10 kids.

In case anyone was curious with what I found:

Proficient and Advanced, White students, 3rd-5th:
**Shepherd, Bancroft, LT, DC Bilingual, and LAMB didn't have enough white students to list
Ross 100.00%
Two Rivers 97.32%
Hearst 96.67%
Eaton 96.47%
Oyster 95.98%
Mann 95.63%
Inspired 95.45%
Maury 95.45%
Stokes 95.45%
Capital City 95.45%
Lafayette 95.06%
Stoddert 93.23%
Janney 93.04%
Key 91.76%
Murch 91.56%
Yu Ying 90.54%
Haynes 90.00%
Logan 84.38%
Brent 83.62%

Advanced:

Hearst 66.67%
Oyster Adams 60.92%
Stoddert 50.56%
Ross 50.00%
Janney 48.10%
Two Rivers 47.32%
Lafayette 46.38%
Inspired 45.45%
Haynes 44.00%
Eaton 43.53%
Mann 41.65%
Key 39.01%
Murch 37.50%
Brent 35.34%
Maury 34.85%
Stokes 31.82%
Yu Ying 31.08%
Capital City 25.00%
Logan 15.63%

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are currently facing this dilemma. DC at great charter but we live IB for a Deal feeder and have been contemplating if/when to move IB. After debate with DH about test scores, I found out that my charter currently outperforms most JKLMs in testing when breaking it down to white students. Now the difference is a matter of 1-3% points and its not enough by itself to overlook commute and convenience of a IB school, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that our charter seems to be doing so well (in that area).

You mean I have been commuting to the charter for nothing?

I guess it depends on where your IB is.

Anonymous wrote:We are currently facing this dilemma. DC at great charter but we live IB for a Deal feeder and have been contemplating if/when to move IB. After debate with DH about test scores, I found out that my charter currently outperforms most JKLMs in testing when breaking it down to white students. Now the difference is a matter of 1-3% points and its not enough by itself to overlook commute and convenience of a IB school, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that our charter seems to be doing so well (in that area).

You mean I have been commuting to the charter for nothing?