Anonymous wrote:My gay married friends with kids go to church and are very active in faith based activities. My single gay friends are active in their churches as well. So there's no need to fear gays tearing down churches. Seriously. You might want to try actually speaking with a gay person IRL before passing such crazy judgment.

Going to church does not make you a Christian nor does it mean you shall enter heaven. There are murderers, liars, adulterers, drunks, pedarasts and pedophiles who sit in the church appearing good on the outside but on the inside are utterly depraved and wicked.

God created male and female to be together. A homosexual who says "I am a Christian and I am gay; it is who I am" is the same as a murderer saying "I am a Christian and I molest little boys; it is who I am."

Jesus declaring that marriage is between male and female:
“Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh.h Matthew 19

How many more times does this have to be said? Calling yourself a Christian but living a lifestyle of a non-Christian means you are not a Christian. A true, believing Christian takes seriously the words of Jesus. Christians do not willingly, actively practice murder, homosexuality, stealing, and other sins.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9

Notice at the end: "some of you were doing this but you have been cleansed of your sins." Gays can be cleansed of the sin of homosexuality the same as murderers can repent of their deeds and stop doing it.

Do not be deceived and believe the lies that you can live contrary to God's laws and you'll be just peachy with Jesus. Nope, does not happen. Those who love God obey his commandments because the commands are true and righteous and lead to holiness which God has commanded: Be ye holy as I am holy.

Anonymous wrote:For me it was getting my wife on my health insurance. She's a consultant, so we were paying out of pocket for it whereas I work for a large school system with great health benefits.

Of course, it we had universal health care, this would not have been an issue, but I digress.

You realize Obama could have simply created an executive order for that, right? He hasn't cared about law so far.

Or put it into Obamacare. You could also change jobs or move to a more benevolent state.

My husband is a consultant. We pay out of pocket too.

Anonymous wrote:Gay marriage does not permit gays to live together as a couple -- they already could do that.

It's a legal wedge to adopt kids without scrutiny, to have gay lifestyles appear in front of young kids etc.

YOU are the reason we need laws protecting gay people.

Anonymous wrote:For old bigots like you to die out and for people to be free to pursue happiness.

Wouldn't it be faster if you simply kill them? How will you enforce the feelings of those that still feel this way, and they are younger? Camps?

Anonymous wrote:Gay marriage does not permit gays to live together as a couple -- they already could do that.

It's a legal wedge to adopt kids without scrutiny, to have gay lifestyles appear in front of young kids etc.

Without scrutiny? People who want to adopt should be scrutinized.

Gay lifestyles already appear in front of young kids. How are you going to enforce feelings? Curious

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Anonymous wrote:
In a few years after gay marriage is "normal" they will start to say that the churches are hate places (hate speechifiers -- they'll come up with a catchier metaphor you can be sure). There will be posters of a gay couple with a cute small child of a different race in front of a church and the child will say, "why do they hate us."

Then they will say, why tax deduction to hate?

That's how they will attack, and you can bet your life on it.

Because it's not just their plan, it's the devil's.

Oy vey, you're a whackadoodle!

My gay married friends with kids go to church and are very active in faith based activities. My single gay friends are active in their churches as well. So there's no need to fear gays tearing down churches. Seriously. You might want to try actually speaking with a gay person IRL before passing such crazy judgment.

No, OP, that's what we atheists want. So you can stop having a justification for your blindly ignorant hatred.

For old bigots like you to die out and for people to be free to pursue happiness.

For me it was getting my wife on my health insurance. She's a consultant, so we were paying out of pocket for it whereas I work for a large school system with great health benefits.

Of course, it we had universal health care, this would not have been an issue, but I digress.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In a few years after gay marriage is "normal" they will start to say that the churches are hate places (hate speechifiers -- they'll come up with a catchier metaphor you can be sure). There will be posters of a gay couple with a cute small child of a different race in front of a church and the child will say, "why do they hate us."

Then they will say, why tax deduction to hate?

That's how they will attack, and you can bet your life on it.

Because it's not just their plan, it's the devil's.

Oy vey, you're a whackadoodle!

My gay married friends with kids go to church and are very active in faith based activities. My single gay friends are active in their churches as well. So there's no need to fear gays tearing down churches. Seriously. You might want to try actually speaking with a gay person IRL before passing such crazy judgment.

Yes, you'll have a list of "hate" churches and permit LBGT-friendly churches to continue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
In a few years after gay marriage is "normal" they will start to say that the churches are hate places (hate speechifiers -- they'll come up with a catchier metaphor you can be sure). There will be posters of a gay couple with a cute small child of a different race in front of a church and the child will say, "why do they hate us."

Then they will say, why tax deduction to hate?

That's how they will attack, and you can bet your life on it.

Because it's not just their plan, it's the devil's.

Oy vey, you're a whackadoodle!

My gay married friends with kids go to church and are very active in faith based activities. My single gay friends are active in their churches as well. So there's no need to fear gays tearing down churches. Seriously. You might want to try actually speaking with a gay person IRL before passing such crazy judgment.

I know gays all too well. For example, my gay brother in law left his personal dating profile on our family computer: his turn on "father son scenes."

Gay marriage does not permit gays to live together as a couple -- they already could do that.

It's a legal wedge to adopt kids without scrutiny, to have gay lifestyles appear in front of young kids etc.

WORLD DOMINATION

Anonymous wrote:OP clearly doesn't have gay friends. If he did, he would realize that gay marriage is no different than straight marriage. It's two adults in a loving and committed relationship sharing a home, finances, etc. Their families are just like other families. Like my kid said at age 5 when gay marriage was a big political issue on tv: "What's the big deal? A man can marry a woman. A man can marry a man. A woman can marry a woman. Who cares? As long as they are happy, who cares?" If my 5 year old gets it, then why can't the rest of the world?

Honestly, it all comes down to this:

If YOU don't like gay marriage, then YOU simply don't enter into one. Period. But there's no need to concern yourself with who other people marry. It's called live and let live...try it.

But to answer your question, OP: the end game is to see my gay friends welcomed by all religious faiths and political persuasions. It's f'ing 2015 and this is the USA, so you'd think that would be an attainable goal.

Happy Easter/Passover, OP!

Gays already could live together. Legal marriage allows them to adopt children with no scrutiny of their lifestyle, parade their lifestyle in classrooms with young children, etc etc.

Anonymous wrote:
In a few years after gay marriage is "normal" they will start to say that the churches are hate places (hate speechifiers -- they'll come up with a catchier metaphor you can be sure). There will be posters of a gay couple with a cute small child of a different race in front of a church and the child will say, "why do they hate us."

Then they will say, why tax deduction to hate?

That's how they will attack, and you can bet your life on it.

Because it's not just their plan, it's the devil's.

Yes, because you fear losing a tax deduction, gays should not get to marry. That's really fair.

Anonymous wrote:
In a few years after gay marriage is "normal" they will start to say that the churches are hate places (hate speechifiers -- they'll come up with a catchier metaphor you can be sure). There will be posters of a gay couple with a cute small child of a different race in front of a church and the child will say, "why do they hate us."

Then they will say, why tax deduction to hate?

That's how they will attack, and you can bet your life on it.

Because it's not just their plan, it's the devil's.

Oy vey, you're a whackadoodle!

My gay married friends with kids go to church and are very active in faith based activities. My single gay friends are active in their churches as well. So there's no need to fear gays tearing down churches. Seriously. You might want to try actually speaking with a gay person IRL before passing such crazy judgment.