Anonymous wrote:I don't think she is a disgrace as much as I think she is impaired. Reading the profile of her in the post---with her own experiences as the child of a substance abuser, multiple foster families, acting out---she comes across as someone who suffers from the damage that prenatal substance abuse does, i.e., impulsiveness, no appreciation for consequences and lack of cause and effect thinking. Homeless shelters and jails are full of individuals who make exceptionally poor life choices because they were---for all intents and purposes--brain damaged prior to birth. Intensive interventions are needed so that people so damaged do not just produce a subsequent generation just like them.

I hope her children are not returned to her---not because she is evil---but because she needs some sort of oversight herself.

Anonymous wrote:You know, I have been pretty frustrated with the discussion of this case on this site. Severing someone's parental rights is a really big deal. Arresting someone for the thing y'all are suggesting is also a really big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I have been pretty frustrated with the discussion of this case on this site. Severing someone's parental rights is a really big deal. Arresting someone for the thing y'all are suggesting is also a really big deal. There are processes to be followed, which include evidence being presented. If the big stacks of cash came from checks that Young's boyfriend cashed, that is something that can be verified. If it's cash from Tatum, I assume that can also be verified, given that the police were able to identify purchases he made before his death. How exactly do you want them to arrest and charge her with contributing to the death of a girl who has not been pronounced dead?

As for lying about where her daughter was, that actually doesn't surprise me. If she thought she was doing the best thing she could for her daughter (allowing her to live with someone she believed was trustworthy rather than in the shelter that Relisha hated), but knew that people would take issue with her actions, I am not surprised that she would fabricate a more sympathetic story.

Of course, it's possible that you all are completely right, that she was just a horrible person. But spare us the faux outrage. Most of the people on this site wouldn't have wanted Relisha in the same class as your kids and you know it.

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt and I have a lot of sympathy for Relisha Rudd's mother, who grew up with few resources, role models, support, etc. I think the evidence suggests that she is an unfit mother but of course none of us know for sure.

But WTF are you talking about that none of us would want Relisha in their child's class? Why on earth not? This was a precious second-grader. A blameless innocent child. I wish she had been in my child's school, maybe they would have helped her more (which is not to malign Payne, especially when the school was the one who eventually realized Relisha was missing).

I think of that child all the time. It is heartbreaking.

How many threads have you seen discussing "at risk kids", "FARMs" "OOB kids" and "low SES kids" as being undesirable, disruptive, etc.? How many people were really upset about the at-risk student preference? This little girl was all of those things.

I think it's really easy for people to write off entire groups of kids as being undesirable, but when it is personalized, they have different feelings about it. I'm glad that you would welcome a homeless kid who receives free meals out of bounds at your school. I wish more people were that welcoming. However, my experience with reading this forum is that there are an awful lot of people who are not.

Anonymous wrote:She is such a liar, who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I have been pretty frustrated with the discussion of this case on this site. Severing someone's parental rights is a really big deal. Arresting someone for the thing y'all are suggesting is also a really big deal. There are processes to be followed, which include evidence being presented. If the big stacks of cash came from checks that Young's boyfriend cashed, that is something that can be verified. If it's cash from Tatum, I assume that can also be verified, given that the police were able to identify purchases he made before his death. How exactly do you want them to arrest and charge her with contributing to the death of a girl who has not been pronounced dead?

As for lying about where her daughter was, that actually doesn't surprise me. If she thought she was doing the best thing she could for her daughter (allowing her to live with someone she believed was trustworthy rather than in the shelter that Relisha hated), but knew that people would take issue with her actions, I am not surprised that she would fabricate a more sympathetic story.

Of course, it's possible that you all are completely right, that she was just a horrible person. But spare us the faux outrage. Most of the people on this site wouldn't have wanted Relisha in the same class as your kids and you know it.

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt and I have a lot of sympathy for Relisha Rudd's mother, who grew up with few resources, role models, support, etc. I think the evidence suggests that she is an unfit mother but of course none of us know for sure.

But WTF are you talking about that none of us would want Relisha in their child's class? Why on earth not? This was a precious second-grader. A blameless innocent child. I wish she had been in my child's school, maybe they would have helped her more (which is not to malign Payne, especially when the school was the one who eventually realized Relisha was missing).

I think of that child all the time. It is heartbreaking.

How many threads have you seen discussing "at risk kids", "FARMs" "OOB kids" and "low SES kids" as being undesirable, disruptive, etc.? How many people were really upset about the at-risk student preference? This little girl was all of those things.

I think it's really easy for people to write off entire groups of kids as being undesirable, but when it is personalized, they have different feelings about it. I'm glad that you would welcome a homeless kid who receives free meals out of bounds at your school. I wish more people were that welcoming. However, my experience with reading this forum is that there are an awful lot of people who are not.