Anonymous
Post 03/11/2015 10:33     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:
And this is fucking student government at a California university. Who the fuck cares what her views on Israel are? Not only are these students anti-Semites and anti-American, they apparently suffer from delusions of grandeur. Are they anticipating the council will be somehow involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? GMAFB. I don't care how "contentious" the divestiture issue is/was.

OUTRAGEOUS.


I didn't hear anything about "Israel," although I readily admit I could have missed something. It was centered on her being Jewish which takes it into a whole new area of hate. One imagines that this grew out of the BDS debate, though. Thank goodness for the adult in the room.


It's about Israel. Just read the first article. They include Israel as a source of the problem. There is a disinvest in Israel movement that is making its way through the college ranks- based on the model used with South Africa. The opposition by the pro Israel groups has been vicious. Name calling etc typical right wing response. Not agruing the merits, just attacking the people proposing the program. For many of the college kids it is the first time they have faced this. It is an eye opener and they remember who said what and what organization they represented. It has really been divisive.
jsteele
Post 03/11/2015 10:19     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The council members that posed this egregious questioning: 1 Swiss, 2 muslims, 1 sikh.


In other words, 1 Christian, 2 Muslims, 1 Sikh.


Why would you assume a Swiss student was Christian? Plenty of Swiss citizens are atheist/agnostic, and there is a sizable Muslim minority as well. I believe most Swiss citizens (like many Europeans) would be offended at the assumption that Swiss = Christian. Just as offensive as suggesting that American = Christian.


Why would you make assumptions of any of their religions? If it is fair for the others, it is fair for the Swiss as well. Just be consistent.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2015 09:51     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Well, it looks like the student govt passed a resolution condemning antisemitism. That's good.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2015 02:00     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The council members that posed this egregious questioning: 1 Swiss, 2 muslims, 1 sikh.


In other words, 1 European, 2 Muslims, 1 Sikh.


Why would you assume a Swiss student was Christian? Plenty of Swiss citizens are atheist/agnostic, and there is a sizable Muslim minority as well. I believe most Swiss citizens (like many Europeans) would be offended at the assumption that Swiss = Christian. Just as offensive as suggesting that American = Christian.


There, fixed that for you. That does make this episode a little more understandable. You know how much Europeans love Jews.
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Who cares what the religions of the initial objectors were? Exploring a potential judicial appointee's possible conflicts is fair game. Making assumptions about such possible conflicts based on nothing more than her faith is what was so offensive here. Ultimately, she was confirmed, and apologies were issued, as well they should have. Let us hope the stereotypes se the folly of their ways.
Anonymous
Post 03/11/2015 01:04     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The council members that posed this egregious questioning: 1 Swiss, 2 muslims, 1 sikh.


In other words, 1 European, 2 Muslims, 1 Sikh.


Why would you assume a Swiss student was Christian? Plenty of Swiss citizens are atheist/agnostic, and there is a sizable Muslim minority as well. I believe most Swiss citizens (like many Europeans) would be offended at the assumption that Swiss = Christian. Just as offensive as suggesting that American = Christian.


There, fixed that for you. That does make this episode a little more understandable. You know how much Europeans love Jews.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 21:04     Subject: Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:And this is fucking student government at a California university. Who the fuck cares what her views on Israel are? Not only are these students anti-Semites and anti-American, they apparently suffer from delusions of grandeur. Are they anticipating the council will be somehow involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? GMAFB. I don't care how "contentious" the divestiture issue is/was.

OUTRAGEOUS.


I didn't hear anything about "Israel," although I readily admit I could have missed something. It was centered on her being Jewish which takes it into a whole new area of hate. One imagines that this grew out of the BDS debate, though. Thank goodness for the adult in the room.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 20:59     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The council members that posed this egregious questioning: 1 Swiss, 2 muslims, 1 sikh.


In other words, 1 Christian, 2 Muslims, 1 Sikh.


Why would you assume a Swiss student was Christian? Plenty of Swiss citizens are atheist/agnostic, and there is a sizable Muslim minority as well. I believe most Swiss citizens (like many Europeans) would be offended at the assumption that Swiss = Christian. Just as offensive as suggesting that American = Christian.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 20:42     Subject: Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Everyone should write to the chancellor and others in positions of power stating these points of view except for the bigot who stated her support for the Jew hater actions.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 20:06     Subject: Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
And this is fucking student government at a California university. Who the fuck cares what her views on Israel are? Not only are these students anti-Semites and anti-American, they apparently suffer from delusions of grandeur. Are they anticipating the council will be somehow involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? GMAFB. I don't care how "contentious" the divestiture issue is/was.

OUTRAGEOUS.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 13:23     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There was a certain venomousness to this, it seems.


Which has been completely ignored and swept under the rug by the university. Thinking twice about sending any kids there.


The Chancellor called it intellectually and morally unacceptable. It's not like they started goose stepping or anything....
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 11:53     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:There was a certain venomousness to this, it seems.


Which has been completely ignored and swept under the rug by the university. Thinking twice about sending any kids there.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 08:53     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
There was a certain venomousness to this, it seems.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 03:55     Subject: Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The students who initially opposed the Jewish student's appointment were Fabienne Roth, Manjot Singh, Negeen Sadeghi-Movahed and Sofia Moreno Haq. While it would be unfair to make too many assumptions based on the apparent ethnicity of those students, I don't think it would be unfair to say that a Sikh, Persian, and Muslim might not be as sensitive to anti-Semitism as they should.


ok, what about the swiss girl?


My response will do nothing to elevate this discussion, and I'll apologize for giving in to the impulse to post my gut response and must qualify that I don't entirely believe what I'm posting, but it certainly does feel like Europeans often chortle with glee whenever they can find a way to frame Jews as aggressors. It diminishes their own guilt.


I'm not Jewish , and I confess that it seems like this to me, too.

It's like we are heading down the rabbit hole. How can this be happening?


Agreed. I've been following the issue of rising anti-Semitism in Europe since 2011 as I've researched materials for a literature course involving a book on the Holocaust experience. This UCLA incident - students' behavior and the administration's response - worries me. I think it should worry everyone. We need to take steps to address this proactively. If we don't, we know how this ends.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 03:26     Subject: Re:Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
I am glad these students names are plastered all over the Internet. College may be a little bubble where you can play identity politics but their anti senetisn slant will make them unemployable to any company here. Why are they still in student government and not removed is such an error of judgement.
Anonymous
Post 03/10/2015 01:03     Subject: Wow..just wow: ULCA blatant anti discrimination/semitism.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The students who initially opposed the Jewish student's appointment were Fabienne Roth, Manjot Singh, Negeen Sadeghi-Movahed and Sofia Moreno Haq. While it would be unfair to make too many assumptions based on the apparent ethnicity of those students, I don't think it would be unfair to say that a Sikh, Persian, and Muslim might not be as sensitive to anti-Semitism as they should.


ok, what about the swiss girl?


Lots of antisemitism in Switzerland. It never goes out of style. German influence and all....just saying.